FS Global Ultimate - Next Generation

[roger-wilco-66]

Hi,

this new version of FS Global Ultimate was released a few weeks ago - did anyone try or buy it here? I am interested in buying it but I want to make sure that Southeast Asia is in a higher resolution than FreemeshX.


Cheers,
Mark

[stovall]

Mark, I get really confused about which version of FS Global is what. I have FS Global 2010 and have updated once. The installer is dated 10/9/15. I have seen the product with Ultimate by the title. Mine came from the Pilot Shop and was purchased from the FlightSim Store. I love this scenery upgrade. Very large file of about 25 Gig.

[roger-wilco-66]

Tom,

FS Global Ultimate - Next Generation is the newest version of the product. You might be eligible for a reduced cost update btw. From what they write there is much to expect, but the description is a bit unclear wether the high res mesh extends over SE Asia or it is the standard 30m. If the latter applies, I don't need it and FreemeshX will suffice.

For those interested, they have a reduced price on the global version (80 Gigabytes!!!) until month's end.

Cheers,
Mark

[YoYo]

My friend bought it, picture is here: https://s30.postimg.org/4kbm2go4h/20170120_182735.jpg but it looks like FS Global Ultimate series in total, not in parts (Mesh = 5 m) + some of new small regions.
I stay with FS Global Ultimate series. Whole my old mesh has 101 Gb: http://www.fly2pilots.com/cms/Ui/Pages/Products/MainPage.aspx?id=9788913f-483d-48c5-bdfd-67c6fa3ee1db ( Eur, NA, SA, Africa, Asia, Oceania ect).
Something like this:

http://www.ramoncutanda.com/alz/orden_libreria_escenarios/FSGlobalsobrebase.png

BUT if You use 10 m mesh or more I advise to change it (but be prepar for some of anomaly).

http://www.aerosoft.de/shop-rd/bilder/screenshots/fsx/fsglobalasiaoceania/fs_global_ultimate_asia_13.jpg

http://sabasoft.de/WebRoot/Store7/Shops/a916da8f-26fb-4186-b104-97dd5cc10668/5473/D43E/FD05/E501/0910/0A48/3524/0997/fs_global_ultimate_asia_09.jpg

[stovall]

Thanks Yo Yo, the comparison is very helpful. Off to check on Ultimate.

[Lonewolfee1]

So is Global simply mesh for the whole world? Are there compatibility issues with FTX Global or Vector?

[stovall]

Lonewolffee1, I just upgraded from FS Global 2010 to Ultimate with the mentioned discount. The only way to purchase this is the DVD version. Shipped once payment is verified. I have Vector installed also. The two are completely compatible.

[Lonewolfee1]

Lonewolffee1, I just upgraded from FS Global 2010 to Ultimate with the mentioned discount. The only way to purchase this is the DVD version. Shipped once payment is verified. I have Vector installed also. The two are completely compatible.

Thanks for the info Stovall. How do you like it?

[YoYo]

So is Global simply mesh for the whole world? Are there compatibility issues with FTX Global or Vector?

Yes, but some of anomaly are present (elevation near airports, according me 5% has a problem).
Example: http://www.avsim.com/topic/410467-anyone-use-fs-global-ultimate-for-meshes-here/ . No any problems with FTX addons except Norway (here You must use 10m mesh setting) .

[JohnC]

I actually just bought FS Global 'next gen' about a week ago and will post some screens when it arrives. If there's a requested location, let me know...I was planning the Pacific Northwest, Alps, and maybe Colorado.

[jeansy]

correct me if im wrong please, its only format is by DVD and shipping and not downloadable

[stovall]

Yes only supplied by mailed DVD. Lonewolffee1, because my version of Ultimate hasn't shipped yet I can't tell you how I like it. FS Global 2010 is fantastic. Looking at Yo Yo's pictures I am looking forward to enhanced mesh. Request any location you want to JohnC and he will post an image of the area. Thanks John for doing that.

[roger-wilco-66]

correct me if im wrong please, its only format is by DVD and shipping and not downloadable

The size of the global mesh is 80 Gb, that's why they only distribute it via a set of DVDs.


Cheers,
Mark

[jeansy]

Yeah I know, im not keen on ordering dvds from another country as it takes many many moons and sometimes they never arrive just like my under armour boots ive been waiting 18mths for

however i found a local re seller her in OZ

[JohnC]

DVDs came in safe, and I have to say this is one impressive addon. It is hard to convey the depth of field that is added by the near field and far field contours as they shift against one another, but the clouds add a little contrast/background at least. A short video may be in order.

Here is a first set of screen grabs from the North Cascades with OrbX PNW and the mesh resolution set to 1 meter:



https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Cascade%2001.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Cascade%2002.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Cascade%2003.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Cascade%2004.jpg

[wombat666]

Yeah I know, im not keen on ordering dvds from another country as it takes many many moons and sometimes they never arrive just like my under armour boots ive been waiting 18mths for

however i found a local re seller her in OZ

Currently the exchange rate comes out to A$115.00 plus loose change and shipping on top of that.
Aside from the ridiculous shipping costs Matt, the uncertainty factor is a right PITA.
So who is the enterprising merchant in OZ?
:encouragement:

[jeansy]

Currently the exchange rate comes out to A$115.00 plus loose change and shipping on top of that.
Aside from the ridiculous shipping costs Matt, the uncertainty factor is a right PITA.
So who is the enterprising merchant in OZ?
:encouragement:

FSS for 100aud

http://www.flightsimstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=4036

[flibinite]

"Here is a first set of screen grabs from the North Cascades with OrbX PNW and the mesh resolution set to 1 meter" - John, I think what you're seeing there is purely the effect of Orbx PNW, which I believe will override FSGlobal when the former is activated.

[JohnC]

OrbX provides the textures and landclass (locations of rock faces, lakes, etc) while FS Global provides the shape of the terrain (ie mesh). So they work together, not separately.

[JohnC]

Here is another set of screen grabs from the Southern Alps (Nice to Cuneo). The landclass is being generated by OrbX Global Vector which was also developed by FS Global (according to their website), so Vector and NextGen should get along pretty well in theory. I tried to take reasonable fair screenshots and focus on the average appearance. The location of the rock faces are consistently well placed (trees/greenery on gentle slopes and rock faces on steep slopes), while the roads and streams are bit mixed.

On the whole, I'm still quite happy....but everyone has their own standards especially for such an expensive addon.



https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Alps%2001.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Alps%2002.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Alps%2003.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4040516/Alps%2004.jpg

[roger-wilco-66]

[QUOTE=JohnC;1064660]Here is another set of screen grabs from the Southern Alps (Nice to Cuneo). The landclass is being generated by OrbX Global Vector which was also developed by FS Global (according to their website), so Vector and NextGen should get along pretty well in theory. I tried to take reasonable fair screenshots and focus on the average appearance. The location of the rock faces are consistently well placed (trees/greenery on gentle slopes and rock faces on steep slopes), while the roads and streams are bit mixed.

On the whole, I'm still quite happy....but everyone has their own standards especially for such an expensive addon.


[...]

/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting the images, John! Looks quite good!


Cheers,
Mark

[jeansy]

john

My understanding from the ftx website is that vector is only coastlines, waterwaya and roads

With only ftx vector instated you will only see default or non orbx landclass

For orbx landclass you will need the ftx gobal landclass addon or ftx regions

[wombat666]

I'm thinking that is correct, Vector alone isn't going to do a lot without Global Landclass at least.
BTW, thanks for the contact Matt.
:encouragement:

[griphos]

Jeansy is correct.

Also, if you have PNW, the region, installed, it comes with its own mesh, and I'm not sure that the new mesh has higher priority. It may be that the sim always uses the highest resolution available. But it may be that the region settings override. It's also not clear to me that Ultimate has higher resolution than the region to begin with. Region mesh resolution is pretty high.

[JohnC]

Sorry, I should have made that more clear. These shots were with FTX Global Base + FTX Global Vector, with Global Vector (waterways and roads) being developed by FS Global (the company).

[JohnC]

Jeansy is correct.

Also, if you have PNW, the region, installed, it comes with its own mesh, and I'm not sure that the new mesh has higher priority. It may be that the sim always uses the highest resolution available. But it may be that the region settings override. It's also not clear to me that Ultimate has higher resolution than the region to begin with. Region mesh resolution is pretty high.


FTX PNW has a 10 meter mesh while FS Global has a 1 meter mesh. I can fiddle around with the scenery config tonight and confirm which is being displayed.

I flew this same route (from the first set of screenshots) before installing FS Global NextGen, and it looked significantly different from my recollection.

[jeansy]

Griph

The problem with ftx sceneries and regions according to the manual you need to set mesh at 10m any higher will cause floating buildings

I first noticed this when i had my mesh set at 5 then read the manuals and then fixed the problem

Its a catch 22 start a flight at 10 then shift to 5 then shift back to 10 when its timw to land

I would say you would have this meah lower in the scenery order in order for ftx regions to work correctly

[roger-wilco-66]

Today the DVD arrived and I anstalled Asia to have a look. Unfortunately (for my wallet), FreemeshX is better, at least in that part of Asia where I do most of my flying. Hopefully the FSGUNG team updates the SEA part in the future with a more detailed mesh.

Compared to default, anything is better though.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/eayfkzazeqemqno/Mesh-Comp.jpg?dl=1

[stovall]

Thanks for the comparison Mark. Seeing is believing. I ordered over two weeks ago when the topic surfaced. I was told after 10 days with my order still waiting to be shipped it would be well over a month before delivery. No I am not so anxious for the delivery. I have Global 2010. Hopefully the upgrade will be better than that.

[roger-wilco-66]

I think you'll like it, some of the other areas look really spectacular!

[DaveB]

That default shot is a giggle isn't it. I've been flying around Norway recently and remembered I'd bought FSGenesis Norway maybe a year ago and never installed it. The transformation was exactly as shown between the first two shots and the last one!! As you say.. ANYTHING is better than default:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[jeansy]

can some post a pic of Christmas Island (Australia)

[JohnC]

I would normally be happy to help, but there was an incident involving my toddler and DVD#7 (Oceania mesh) before it made it into the DVD drive. FSG sent me a replacement disk (free), but it hasn't arrived yet. Will post some shots when it does.

[jeansy]

I would normally be happy to help, but there was an incident involving my toddler and DVD#7 (Oceania mesh) before it made it into the DVD drive. FSG sent me a replacement disk (free), but it hasn't arrived yet. Will post some shots when it does.

Thats understandable, no rush

[JohnC]

The replacement DVD arrived, and here are some screenshots for Christmas Island. A few other items learned over the past few weeks:

- For the OrbX NA areas there is a difference between the OrbX mesh and the FSG mesh, but I would not call it significant. I.e., You can see the difference in side by side screenshots, but I'm not convinced that someone could fly in a random mesh and pick which one was active (given the setting below).

- FSG boasts a 1 meter mesh for certain locations, but I was getting OOM's in every flight (P3Dv3.4) and had to scale back to a 5 meter mesh.

- As Jeansy noted, there can be some floating buildings in finer mesh areas, but it wasn't too terrible in the NA and European locations I tried with the 5 meter setting (though there were certainly a few eye sores).


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2001.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2002.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2003.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2004.jpg

[stovall]

Thanks for the images JohnC. I received my DVD's today and have Global Ultimate loaded in Prepar3d_V3. Before the installation I had some elevation problems just next to Nellis AFB that turned out were cause by FTX_AC_SC. They were ridges in the flat desert that extended for quite a ways. With FTX_AC_SC disabled they were gone so I know what cause the problem.

With Pilots Global Ultimate installed all is perfect. Now see below the area next to Nellis for what this mesh will do to photoreal textures.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U1_zpsmd5iuwv8.jpg


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U2_zpsc6ufzdrj.jpg (http://http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U2_zpsc6ufzdrj.jpg)


Definitely see a very nice improvement over Global Mesh 2010. For me this was money well spent. Hope this helps those on the fence.

[stovall]

Two more images of the area near Nellis AFB. Photo real scenery created with SBuilderX.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U3_zpspg7zxgcl.jpg
(http://http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U3_zpspg7zxgcl.jpg)
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U4_zpsihjphjaf.jpg (http://http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/tlstovall/Global_U4_zpsihjphjaf.jpg)

[roger-wilco-66]

That looks spectacular, Tom! I wish I'd see that kind of quality in the Southeast Asia region!!


Cheers,
Mark

[jeansy]

The replacement DVD arrived, and here are some screenshots for Christmas Island. A few other items learned over the past few weeks:

- For the OrbX NA areas there is a difference between the OrbX mesh and the FSG mesh, but I would not call it significant. I.e., You can see the difference in side by side screenshots, but I'm not convinced that someone could fly in a random mesh and pick which one was active (given the setting below).

- FSG boasts a 1 meter mesh for certain locations, but I was getting OOM's in every flight (P3Dv3.4) and had to scale back to a 5 meter mesh.

- As Jeansy noted, there can be some floating buildings in finer mesh areas, but it wasn't too terrible in the NA and European locations I tried with the 5 meter setting (though there were certainly a few eye sores).


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2001.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2002.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2003.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17394463/YPXM%2004.jpg

thanks, I was hoping for something close to real life, but unfortunately the mesh is far from it and couldnt be any further from the truth but it still better than stock mesh i guess, on another note something has to be done with the incorrect land class