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Chuck_Jodry-VJPL
December 18th, 2016, 05:10
In the late 1930’s Cessna saw a growing need for an inexpensive, light twin. The popular twin of the day, the Twin Beech, was fairly expensive and was often oversized for roles with small businesses or occasionally, small charter airlines. First flown in 1939 and reaching production in 1940, the T-50 Bobcat was of fabric-covered steel-tube construction featuring retractable main landing gear and electrically actuated trailing edge flaps. With the wing structure built up of laminated spruce spar beams and its fuselage faired with spruce stringers, it gained the nickname, “the Bamboo Bomber.”
The Bobcat quickly found great success as a military multi-engine advanced trainer and utility transport; its wood construction was ideal since it didn’t require diverting a lot of valuable aluminum from the war effort. Over 4600 airframes went into service with US forces, with another 640 flying with the RCAF and the BCATP. Not used for long in post-war service, remaining military Bobcats were declared obsolete by 1949.
The ready availability of surplus T-50’s (available at the time for less than $3000) meant that quite a few made their way into civilian life, finding use in many areas of commercial and private aviation.
The Bobcat also found cinematic fame on the 50's television show Sky King, where a T-50, named Songbird, was flown by the lead character (one of which used on the show was the actor’s own aircraft) until replaced later in the series by a Cessna 310B.

For details please visit the T50 Product Page (http://milviz.com/flight/products/T50/index.php)

henrystreet
December 18th, 2016, 05:51
Edit: checked the screenshots on the Milviz page and it had pics of all six. Looking good!

William Njurmi
December 18th, 2016, 06:46
And they controlled themselves not to fill the dashboard with GPS, FMC and WX Radar. Toast to that!

Bjoern
December 18th, 2016, 07:36
Oooooooooh, it comes with a LFRR implementation!

MustangL2W
December 18th, 2016, 12:18
The T-50 seems to be missing the Left Fuel Cap.... What do you think??
Love it though!! Nice Flyer, Very well done. Thank You Milviz!!
Now we are waiting on the Beaver...

Dimus
December 18th, 2016, 12:24
Oooooooooh, it comes with a LFRR implementation!

Yep!
Separates the men from the boys!

n4gix
December 18th, 2016, 14:19
The T-50 seems to be missing the Left Fuel Cap.... What do you think??

I think that Ramp Rat who forgot to put the portside cap back on after refueling better run real fast when I get back to the FBO!

The cap has been found and put back on. Actually, it was in the model but for some reason wasn't being drawn in the sim. :dizzy:

Roger
December 18th, 2016, 14:41
Is the co-pilot always visible in the vc?

n4gix
December 18th, 2016, 14:47
Is the co-pilot always visible in the vc?
No. A decision was made to not show any pilot/pax figures in the VC at all. They are of course selectable via the in sim toolbar tab or MVAMS prior to launching the sim.

Roger
December 18th, 2016, 14:56
No. A decision was made to not show any pilot/pax figures in the VC at all. They are of course selectable via the in sim toolbar tab or MVAMS prior to launching the sim.

Good. Downloading now.

Bomber_12th
December 18th, 2016, 15:51
Probably a silly question, but how do you get the pilot/people to appear in the external model?

Roger
December 18th, 2016, 16:11
I have no tool tips showing. Setting mixture and prop settings isn't possible. Is there a fix?

n4gix
December 18th, 2016, 16:19
Probably a silly question, but how do you get the pilot/people to appear in the external model?

They are selectable via the in sim toolbar "Add-ons" tab or MVAMS prior to launching the sim.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45472&stc=1

n4gix
December 18th, 2016, 16:27
I have no tool tips showing. Setting mixture and prop settings isn't possible. Is there a fix?

Tooltips are coded properly but for some reason aren't being acknowledged by the sim.

All throttle, prop and mixture lever's knobs are mousable using Left-Click + Drag fore/aft. There is also an invisible mouse point inbetween the throttle lever knobs and the prop lever knobs that will allow you to "drag" both levers simultaneously.

Regarding the mixture levers, fully up is full-rich, fully down is full-lean/cutoff.

MustangL2W
December 18th, 2016, 16:35
Flying the "Beam" is going to contribute to my Aviation induced hearing loss but I'm grinning like a mad-man!! This is a Wonderful, Fun Airplane to Fly around. Single Engine work is humbling like the real thing supposedly is. Hope the repainters have fun with this one.

Bomber_12th
December 18th, 2016, 16:39
Thank you for the reply, Bill. Unfortunately I'm not getting the Add-ons tab (this is a fresh FSX Accel. install on Windows 7), and the MVAMS doesn't seem to have any effect either (such as the cold start vs. already running).

n4gix
December 18th, 2016, 16:48
Thank you for the reply, Bill. Unfortunately I'm not getting the Add-ons tab (this is a fresh FSX Accel. install on Windows 7), and the MVAMS doesn't seem to have any effect either (such as the cold start vs. already running).
Were you asked to approve several gauges when you first loaded the aircraft? Are you running FSX/A as "Administrator?"

If neither of the above help, then please take this issue to our support forum so the proper person(s) can assist you. I just swing wrenches, fix the plane's systems, and sweep the hanger floor.

Bomber_12th
December 18th, 2016, 17:16
Thank you for your time, Bill. I will start a support forum topic once I can. I did do a Windows 7 optimization last week, which I don't know if any of the changes made would cause a problem. I did get the messages to approve the various gauges, and I do run the game as administrator, but it remains (I even deleted the FSX.cfg to force the re-approvals of the gauges, but still the same).

pbearsailor
December 18th, 2016, 17:34
Really looking forward to flying the range but despite going through all the stuff at DC-3 airways I'm getting nowhere. No audio at all from the receiver. No tool tips make it very hard to try to tune.

I hope the manual is released soon. Should have come with the plane I think?:(

Cheers,
Steve

n4gix
December 18th, 2016, 18:00
No audio at all from the receiver. No tool tips make it very hard to try to tune.
Did you let the radio's tubes warm up? Did you hear any static noise? Did you try turning it completely off and then back on again?

pbearsailor
December 18th, 2016, 18:12
Did you let the radio's tubes warm up? Did you hear any static noise? Did you try turning it completely off and then back on again?

Yes to all, Bill. No sound at all. Watched the video on the Milviz site and thought I had it understood. Auto and manual. Restart sim.

Also for me, panel lights worked on the initial run but not since.

Thanks,
steve :wavey:

Bjoern
December 19th, 2016, 06:08
Bill:
Any chance for a standalone LFRR system/scenery? I'd love to put this into a DC-3.

WarHorse47
December 19th, 2016, 06:15
If you encounter problems with the lighting system, may I suggest looking at your anti-virus program.

My anti-virus doesn't like the milviz_lighting_service.exe file and tends to quarantine it. I have to 'exclude' it from any virus searches and make some changes to insure it doesn't detect any 'false positives.'

Just thought I'd pass that on.

Alan_A
December 19th, 2016, 08:29
Bill:
Any chance for a standalone LFRR system/scenery? I'd love to put this into a DC-3.

+1 to that!

triflyman
December 19th, 2016, 16:52
+2 to that also!

jeansy
December 20th, 2016, 04:59
Well done too Bill and his Team, however

I Couldn't find a Australian Rego for a bobcat so I did a little improvising and created a Recon scheme while dinner cooked tonight, a very easy paintkit to use

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2016/12/21/2016-12-20_23-23-40-529.png (http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G8Hn)

ksheadley
December 20th, 2016, 13:33
Well done too Bill and his Team, however

I Couldn't find a Australian Rego for a bobcat so I did a little improvising and created a Recon scheme while dinner cooked tonight, a very easy paintkit to use

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2016/12/21/2016-12-20_23-23-40-529.png (http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G8Hn)

Where might the paintkit be acquired? It is a fun craft to fly, and a beauty to look at.

jeansy
December 20th, 2016, 23:29
Where might the paintkit be acquired? It is a fun craft to fly, and a beauty to look at.


It should or will be available from the product page

jeansy
December 21st, 2016, 00:07
http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2016_12/2016-12-21_18-16-9-815.png.e3772545c7d8311977302a743968caf6.png

link> http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/5923-milviz-t-50-bobcat-raaf-a42-035/

Bomber_12th
December 22nd, 2016, 13:21
Here are some screenshots from an early winter morning flight in the "Double-Breasted Cub" (just one of several nicknames that the cadets in WWII coined for this aircraft).

I remember learning that with the Bobcat, 90 mph is the critical airspeed, as if you lose an engine below that, you're done for. On takeoff/initial climb, that is the airspeed up to which you're fully concentrated (despite the charm and wonderful flight characteristics of the Bobcat, it isn't an aircraft you can be lazy in). In the original manuals, it mentions keeping the aircraft no more than 10-20 ft above the runway after initially lifting off (which happens at above 60 mph), until you've reached 90 mph, at which point you're above single-engine speed and you can safely climb out - up until reaching 90, if you were to lose an engine, the only thing you can do is to cut the throttles and land straight ahead. On approach, you can't lower flaps until you're at 108 mph or less (unlike the landing gear, which can be lowered at just about any airspeed), but you also can't be below 90 mph on the approach (until short final) because of the risk of losing an engine - so quite a narrow margin. I've tried a bit of single-engine trials while in cruise with the Milviz model, and it is a beast to handle in such a condition, especially as the props are non-feathering (just like the real thing) - as the manual says, if you lose an engine, you really must stand on the rudder.

Beyond the point of the appearance of the aircraft, and the general flying qualities, all of which I really enjoy, perhaps my favorite aspect from the cockpit is all of that glass overhead - it really provides some wonderful visibility, especially when banking and turning and doing any sort of group/formation work.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/560/31694809001_1e68575136_o.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5602/31663982062_dfd76214a3_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/597/31811253935_83d0519463_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/438/31811251455_64afd4a9ba_o.jpg

Bomber_12th
December 22nd, 2016, 13:24
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/641/31438556320_ff81d7a589_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/331/31811248955_9702f44255_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/405/31811245935_f7dae65f16_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/780/31438560980_c80c986868_o.jpg

Skyhawk18
December 22nd, 2016, 13:36
Great shots of this little rascal John. :applause:

Skyhawk18
December 22nd, 2016, 13:37
Well done too Bill and his Team, however

I Couldn't find a Australian Rego for a bobcat so I did a little improvising and created a Recon scheme while dinner cooked tonight, a very easy paintkit to use

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2016/12/21/2016-12-20_23-23-40-529.png (http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G8Hn)


Great work Matt!

Roger
December 22nd, 2016, 15:59
Thanks Matt:ernaehrung004:

https://i.imgbox.com/kIiQXaoM.jpg (http://imgbox.com/kIiQXaoM)

jeansy
December 23rd, 2016, 00:55
thank you and merry Xmas

n4gix
December 23rd, 2016, 11:55
I'm happy report that I confronted the Ramp Rat who last fueled the Bobcat and he shamefacedly handed me the missing portside fuel cap. Among a few other things that have been fixed and/or tweaked, expect to see a Service Release soon.

Merry Christmas to everyone! :santahat:

kremin
December 23rd, 2016, 12:26
I'm happy report that I confronted the Ramp Rat who last fueled the Bobcat and he shamefacedly handed me the missing portside fuel cap. Among a few other things that have been fixed and/or tweaked, expect to see a Service Release soon.

Merry Christmas to everyone! :santahat:

Thanks Bill - good to hear. Have a good Christmas yourself!

MustangL2W
December 23rd, 2016, 21:32
I'm happy report that I confronted the Ramp Rat who last fueled the Bobcat and he shamefacedly handed me the missing portside fuel cap. Among a few other things that have been fixed and/or tweaked, expect to see a Service Release soon.

Absolutely Love the Bobcat!!! Anxious for the Service release just to add to all the fun. Hoping to see more wonderful repaints come. N88878 "Class of '43" would be another wonderful current flyer.

joe bob
December 23rd, 2016, 23:41
And they controlled themselves not to fill the dashboard with GPS, FMC and WX Radar. Toast to that!

I couldn't agree more! What a clash of technology, flying the beam and the magenta line at the same time.

n4gix
December 24th, 2016, 14:23
Absolutely Love the Bobcat!!! Anxious for the Service release just to add to all the fun. Hoping to see more wonderful repaints come. N88878 "Class of '43" would be another wonderful current flyer.
The Service Release was made late yesterday... :encouragement:

MustangL2W
December 25th, 2016, 13:27
I seem to have forgotten where to find the database for the NAV sites with frequencies and such???

n4gix
December 25th, 2016, 14:44
I seem to have forgotten where to find the database for the NAV sites with frequencies and such???It is in the ..\Cessna T-50 Bobcat - Milviz\Manuals folder in the Bobcat Startup Guide.pdf file:

http://smithplanet.com/fs2004/tools/rr/

MustangL2W
December 25th, 2016, 15:37
n4gix - Thank you kindly!! Thought I was losing my mind!! I knew I had seen it somewhere, but was "hyperfocused" on a file or a folder and not a link!!! Merry Christmas to you :santahat:

YoYo
January 2nd, 2017, 10:40
Tooltips are coded properly but for some reason aren't being acknowledged by the sim.

Hi Bill, are You sure? I never saw any tooltips in many MV addons in FSX or P3D so perhaps they arent coded....?

Aerocommander
January 2nd, 2017, 11:07
I have been flying the Songbird, T50 model in FS2004 and the Radio Range as well, using the DC-3. I believe you can install the range instrumentation in the Songbird, or some other aircraft. Of course, you would probably choose a plane of that vintage years. I flew a few of these ranges and I think you must be dedicated to learning how it works because I found it to be an intensive mode of flying. You have to keep your ear to the speaker, or headset.
I personally would much rather try the Milviz Bobcat in FSX and I wonder if their addon Radio Range is a better system for us. Unfortunately, I only learned about the new version of the plane after I spent all of my money on other deals for the holidays.
I will be interested to watch how you guys do with this version.

YoYo
January 2nd, 2017, 12:27
4 shots.

http://s10.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aerxhaa.jpg

http://s5.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aerxxhq.jpg

http://s2.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aerxxrp.jpg

http://s2.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aerxhqs.jpg

Portia911
January 2nd, 2017, 13:28
Anyone know the back story for (or have a link about) the Dutch model included?

davido53
January 2nd, 2017, 16:20
any of these still flying?

Mach3DS
January 2nd, 2017, 16:27
any of these still flying?


YoYo's 2nd screen is based off of the real thing. I presume it's still flying. When I was making the livery the photos were from 2012 if I recall correctly.

Portia911
January 2nd, 2017, 16:43
Hi Bill, are You sure? I never saw any tooltips in many MV addons in FSX or P3D so perhaps they arent coded....?

Most tooltips missing here too (FSX Accel disc), including all main panel switches and the quadrant levers.
Strangely, a quick scan around the cockpit found tooltips working fine for the two silver OilTemp buttons on the centre console; the three fuel tank and feed switches on the floor; and the radio frequency range dial and winder on the pilot's door panel (but not the adjacent radio switches).

YoYo
January 3rd, 2017, 08:13
http://s5.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aernaep.jpg

btw. Service pack for MV T-50 incoming.
Please notice nice 3D prop effect from the side.

Second. New inside and outside view. For example copilot:

http://s5.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aerehes.jpg

n4gix
January 3rd, 2017, 10:11
Hi Bill, are You sure? I never saw any tooltips in many MV addons in FSX or P3D so perhaps they arent coded....?

I'm absolutely sure, given that I'm the one who writes the scripts! :biggrin-new:

YoYo
January 3rd, 2017, 10:56
I'm absolutely sure, given that I'm the one who writes the scripts! :biggrin-new:

Ah, ok. I see tooltips only on Radio channel (LFR) and "Hide a yoke" :wavey: .

Btw. here is nice feature of this addon:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQsINQ6qA5c

(but You must be good listener for this)

Bomber_12th
January 3rd, 2017, 14:15
any of these still flying?

There are a good handful of Cessna Bobcats still flying today - in-fact most of the paint schemes included with the Milviz product are examples that fly today. For instance, the yellow USAAF example is privately owned by an individual named Edgar Newberg of Hector, Minnesota (though these days the aircraft has the post-1947 red bars added to the insignias), the silver '415' one is owned by Larry Kelley (same owner as the B-25 "Panchito"), the Navy example, "Lo Lo", is owned/operated by The Collings Foundation, the yellow RCAF example is owned/operated by the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum (where it is known as the "Crane", not "Bobcat"), and the olive drab/gray example is privately owned by an individual named Terry Sullivan of Bossier City, Louisiana.

My absolute favorite Bobcat was N41795, but it crashed/was destroyed, along with the fatalities of both the husband & wife owners, in 2013. I always really liked the civilian paint scheme it wore, but there are also quite a number of other great civilian schemes worn by Bobcats.

The Bobcat "Spirit of '43" N88878 lives fairly close to me, and is flown quite often. I've had the pleasure of seeing three separate Cessna Bobcat restorations within the past few years, two of which are intended to be flown when completed.

n4gix
January 6th, 2017, 12:04
Service Release #2 has been released. Update link in the support forums.

Roger
January 6th, 2017, 13:00
Thanks Bill, but there are still no tool tips. Are we never likely to see tool tips?

alehead
January 6th, 2017, 14:12
Thanks Bill, but there are still no tool tips. Are we never likely to see tool tips?

I don't have tool tips in any aircraft since switching over to DX10 with the fixer. I always view it as the lesser of 2 evils :)

Maybe that is why some complain of having no tool tips? Just a thought and apologies if this is not the solution, or the answer even... :)

A

Roger
January 6th, 2017, 14:46
I don't have tool tips in any aircraft since switching over to DX10 with the fixer. I always view it as the lesser of 2 evils :)

Maybe that is why some complain of having no tool tips? Just a thought and apologies if this is not the solution, or the answer even... :)

A

To get to tool tips in Dx10 you just need to go into windowed mode, which I always do to set mixture and prop pitch etc.

Portia911
January 6th, 2017, 16:42
I don't have tool tips in any aircraft since switching over to DX10 with the fixer. I always view it as the lesser of 2 evils :)

Maybe that is why some complain of having no tool tips? Just a thought and apologies if this is not the solution, or the answer even... :)

A

I'm running DX9 and as detailed in my earlier post, there are a few working tool tips but most of the important ones are not showing.
Disappointing if this has not been fixed in the latest SP, as it's the only thing spoiling an otherwise great little add-on!

YoYo
January 7th, 2017, 00:35
http://s2.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aexxewp.jpg

http://s2.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aexxewx.jpg

http://s10.ifotos.pl/img/CessnaBob_aexxewh.jpg

YoYo
January 7th, 2017, 01:42
Btw. if someone has a problem with take off (T-50 turns to left with tailwheel "on" with wind more than 0 and real weather) I can advice You to use (if You have separate throttle for engines) more power for left engine as compensate (+ near 3000 on the left manifold pressure gauge, so L=25, R=22) until the rudder will be efficient.
In this time You will be in the center line of airstrip with crosswind also.

Bomber_12th
January 7th, 2017, 03:42
It's recommended to use some right-rudder trim in the real aircraft for takeoff, so I do the same in the sim as well, which helps.

YoYo
January 7th, 2017, 04:47
It's recommended to use some right-rudder trim in the real aircraft for takeoff, so I do the same in the sim as well, which helps.

For sure its (the rudder) more real but in P3D its not always enough,
it likes to turn left like a crazy :biggrin-new: .

griphos
January 7th, 2017, 06:13
I don't have this plane, but have you tried adding throttle more slowly?

Bomber_12th
January 7th, 2017, 07:35
Yes, continuing to slowly apply throttle through the takeoff run helps to counter the p-factor on takeoff a lot as well, with higher power only coming on once the airspeed is high enough to allow the rudder to be fully effective. What I should have said is that, in addition to what YoYo mentions about differentiating the throttles to counter the p-factor, some right rudder trim is also recommended for takeoff in the real aircraft. When flying the real aircraft, just as in the sim, rudder trim and differentiating throttle input is recommended for takeoff, and the throttles should be able to be put all the way to the stops on takeoff, just as in the real aircraft.

There are some characteristics about operating the Bobcat (such as the high Vme (90mph), and low flap speed (108mph)) that made pilots who trained on the Bobcat less stressed/quite relieved when they got into aircraft like the B-17, where flying/aircraft operations actually felt easier to them.

n4gix
January 7th, 2017, 09:12
For sure its (the rudder) more real but in P3D its not always enough,
it likes to turn left like a crazy :biggrin-new: .

I also recommend cranking in a bit of aileron trim. Yes, I know that the Bobcat has a fixed, bendable tab on the right aileron that is adjusted while on ground, but for the sim I added a hidden mouse point on the black square panel just in front of the pilot's left knee - with a working tooltip! - so that the sim pilot can make adjustments as desired. I've found ~+7º of aileron trim allows for hands-off level flight.

n4gix
January 7th, 2017, 09:19
I'm running DX9 and as detailed in my earlier post, there are a few working tool tips but most of the important ones are not showing.
Disappointing if this has not been fixed in the latest SP, as it's the only thing spoiling an otherwise great little add-on!

The tooltips are added to the model when it is compiled. Whether the sim decides to show them or not is not under our direct control. For example,
TOOLTIPTEXT_THROTTLE_MIXTURE_PERCENT is used on the mixture levers, yet refuses to show up in the sim... :dizzy:

MustangL2W
January 15th, 2017, 10:19
Is anyone working on Repainting any of these Restored T-50/UC-78's?
I wish Milviz would have included clean repaints as well as the worn ones for those who like that. But Larry Kelly's N266C, '415' from Pampa, TX and Terry Kelly's N6671, OD Green airplane are kept in amazing shape. (For Sale as we speak) These airplanes were huge investments and are really well taken care of. (Although I hear '415' is currently disassembled awaiting repair) "Spirit of '43" is a beautiful airplane but gets flown enough to show a little wear. Another Stunning UC-78 is Elmer Steir's N60453. I think a couple Squadron's of the CAF have Bamboo Bombers too. Would sure like to see "Spirit of 43" and Elmer Steir's airplanes painted for this incredible Milviz Model. The more I fly it...the more I enjoy it!!