An Nvidia fairytale

[Roger]

Way back in the day (or "Once apon a time") I tried Dx10 with some early drivers, (169.44) and it looked Yuk. So there was no use for Dx10 on my system and all those Fs9 port-overs looked great in Dx9c, so what the hell,...but there was this little issue of vertical sync so that when panning around quickly frames tore giving a wobbly appearance. So when the 170 series drivers arrived they were duly loaded up and hey presto...v sync tearing gone!
So all is well in the house of Roger's FsX machine...for a while until the nastiness of micro-jumps manifested themselves. What to do...these nasty jumps make FsX look terribly skittish and unrealistic, so back to 169 drivers or...what?
Saw a screenie of Dx10 and thought I'll try those again and on the whole it looked great. True, default runways flashed like Morse code and lights came and went randomly and all those port-overs were suddenly transparent, but...no jumpiness...Hooray!!!. This loss of Fs9 ports was good discipline for the arrival of FsXI when backward compatibility would be zero.
The euphoria lasted nearly six months with various efforts to get Fs9 aircraft to show in Dx10 with minimal success until one day it was announced that the wicked witches in the West had killed off all the Magicians of Fs and FsXI would never come.
After soul searching and much dismay and the new 180 series Nvidia drivers I decided to re-embrace my favorite Fs9 port-overs and see if the nasty jumpiness had finally been banished. To my horror the micro-jumps were just as bad in Dx9c as ever, if not even worse.
After a little while I thought perhaps I should try those old 169 drivers again and yes I did and now at last a happy ending...the tearing with 169.44 was minimal unless you panned very quickly. So the moral of my story is 'When the Magicians of the new are executed break out the old technology and sod 'em all'

Get the old drivers here... http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_169.44.html

[sblzei]

Roger,
for drivers replacement, do you simply execute the new (older) drivers or do you unistall from the Control Panel first (or even use a driver cleaner program) ?

Ezio

[Roger]

Hi Ezio,
I always uninstall from Control panel/Programs and Features (Vista) then run Driver Sweeper ( http://www.guru3d.com/ ). Then run the new drivers after a restart.

[Roger]

One of the nice things about ports is finding those that are very easy on frame rates. Oliver Fischer's models are such and all are with 169.44 drivers...




http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/Buecker-x.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/ju52-x.jpg

[Roger]

...and of course...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/rcsb25-1.jpg

[harleyman]

A happy ending...Sigh.........

great shots there Roger....:applause:

[Roger]

Thanks Harleyman,
One thing to note about ports is that I never allow gauges beyond the confines of the Fs9 aircraft's panel folder and effects are deleted.

[Lionheart]

Hey Roger,


Man.. I feel your pain.

I have a new computer that runs FS9 at about 60 to 70 FPS, maxed sliders; and runs FSX at 20 to 40 FPS, fairly good sliders but FSX looks horrible without Anti Aliasing on.... When I turn on AA, I get about 10 FPS. I tried switching drivers (ATI Catalyst), but it got worse with the newer driver, so I had to do a time warp back, (no Mac drivers available for the former version that work with XP).

So, for doing photos, I turn on AA, and for flying, I am at jagged edges but smooth flying... (Occassional micro jumps and clouds that disappear here and there, then come back).

If only......

:faint: <--- faints from all the stress of tuning and tweaking and tuning and buying computers and power supplies and memory...


EDIT: By the way, brilliant screenshots! Love that Bucker and that bomber looks like a photo!

[Roger]

Hey Bill,
It's a struggle trying to get FsX looking right in either Dx10 or Dx9 but after regressing my vid card back to drivers over a year old, they do the job for me in Dx9c. At last I'm fairly content with my FsX, knowing that FsXI will never come.
Tomorrow I'll port over those Junkers W33 & W34:engel016:

[Roger]

...in fact it is tomorrow here so why wait?...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/w33-x.jpg

[Roger]

...but this one Definitely is not a port-over:engel016:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190a1-x.jpg

[RCAF_Gunner]

You've got me thinking about the older drivers too. I does seem the newer drivers added new issues even if there were some minor frame rate improvements. Good to hear you're happy with them.

Some nice screen shots too. When I saw the fuselage markings on that last one of the FW190 though, I thought to myself "vun-duh-bar!" :costumes:

[MudMarine]

...but this one Definitely is not a port-over:engel016:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190a1-x.jpg

Dang, I want that 190!!:rapture:

[warchild]

WELLLL!!. I'm honestly no out to hijack the thread, but I just installed windows 7 night before last. I was reallly worried because of all the possible things that could have and have gone wrong with other versions of their OS, and i was blown away. it works beautifully. The scary part was in it downloading a pre-release ersion of the nvidia driver. I own an 8800GTX and frankly, it's been a nightmare.
Bottom line is that FSX rruns beautifully on it. i'm getting two to three times the framerates i was getting in vista and even the minor problems i experienced at first have disappeared. The only complaint i have about this system so far is with a game called mabinogi which uses an anti hacking scheme called NProtect, which will not run under windows 7. As for appearances, i had to install DX9 but even then. I cant complain. I guess the proof is in the pudding soo. hope you enjoy..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2009-2-7_21-35-41-832-2.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k171/urushira/2009-2-7_21-27-57-343.jpg

[txnetcop]

Warchild you are right on the mark. Surprisingly FSX seems to run flawlessly on Windows 7 and at higher fps, but remember there will come a day when your Windows 7 Beta will no longer work as Windows release candidate gets out there.
Ted

[Cazzie]

I had been using 179.24 since it was released, always kept a backup up, still have it. But the last 180 series of drivers (181.22) have been wonders for me Roger in terms of frame rates. Much higher in FSX, never had any complaints in FS9/GW3 on any drivers. So I am currently running those. As far as DX10 is concerned, I gave up on that a long time ago. It does fine and with the new drivers, I do not lose the frames rates as I did the older drivers. But I still get those dag-gum flickering runway and taxi markings and I cannot stand that! :banghead: So it's DX9 for me all the way until FSX or whatever becomes truly DX10 capable.

Caz

[Henry]

I am a bit slow
i just upgraded to vista and have been playing with dx10
i do like it
but i also use port overs
so i just switch back and forth
depending on my mood

Rog what do you use for screen grabbing?
H

[noddy]

Great shots Roger. :ernae:

[Roger]

I am a bit slow
i just upgraded to vista and have been playing with dx10
i do like it
but i also use port overs
so i just switch back and forth
depending on my mood

Rog what do you use for screen grabbing?
H

The thing is H The drivers that work best in Dx9 are the older ones (169.44) but Dx10 looks rubbish on those drivers, so I had to make a choice.

For screenshots I use the "V" key and FsX saves a bmp in your picture gallery. I then resize and convert to jpg with Irfan view.

[Lionheart]

Man Roger,

Your screen shots are brilliant man...

If thats what you are seeing when you fly, you have a good rig going...


:ernae:

That FW and Phantom look great.



Bill

[Henry]

For screenshots I use the "V" key and FsX saves a bmp in your picture gallery. I then resize and convert to jpg with Irfan view.
i was hoping there was another way
i am using 181 20 drivers
H

[warchild]

Warchild you are right on the mark. Surprisingly FSX seems to run flawlessly on Windows 7 and at higher fps, but remember there will come a day when your Windows 7 Beta will no longer work as Windows release candidate gets out there.
Ted
ehhh, yeahhhhhhhh. ::shudders:; I'll probably fork out the cost for the license. Still, for the next six months, i got a good thing going, and the nvidia drivers ( for once ) have been working flawlessly without doing the version see saw i used to have to do.. i guess i'm just trying to say that there isnt any reason to have to bounce from this driver to that driver or this directX or that directX. This thing simply works.. I havent had time to tweak fsx or the graphics out so what you see above is pretty standard.. Compared to anything i got before with vista and the 160 - 180 and cuda drivers, i cant complain.. Looks good to me.