JF Meteor released

[DaveB]

Hi Chaps..

The JF Meatbox is ready to roll at the introductory price of £19.99. See here for details.. http://justflight.com/product/meteor-f8-fr9
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[AussieMan]

Beat me to it mate.

[papab]

And.....


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[AussieMan]

Have just downloaded it. Been looking forward to its release.

[Roger]

As long as there are no Dx10 issues I'll be buying this tonight.

[YoYo]

+ video preview ! :applause:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_-Wd2_kM_c

I like this part with formation from 2:13.

[WarHorse47]

Neat video. It always amazes me how they can create these. Love the cameos of the Canberra and Dove.

[flaviossa]

Like it a lot! Working perfectly in P3D v.3.4 and FSX-SE. The sound package is fantastic!

Firing guns:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/NB46tU.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmNB46tUj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/DdH72v.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnDdH72vj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/4gkgWL.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/po4gkgWLj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/pumRgm.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmpumRgmj)

[Daube]

+ video preview ! :applause:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_-Wd2_kM_c

I like this part with formation from 2:13.

The video is indeed quite cool.
But, have you noticed the fixed (non-collimated) reticle ? :)

EDIT: correction -> the video is note "quite cool". It's REALLY cool actually :)

[dhazelgrove]

http://s20.postimg.org/8d1c3dz3h/fsx_2016_10_06_12_37_05_65.jpg

Did someone forget to paint under the airbrakes?

Dave

[bazzar]

The video is indeed quite cool.
But, have you noticed the fixed (non-collimated) reticle ? :)

EDIT: correction -> the video is note "quite cool". It's REALLY cool actually :)

I think the video was made before the collimated gunsight was added.:engel016:

[Pips]

Looks stunning, can't wait to fly it! :)

[DaveB]

Downloaded, installed and a brief 45mins behind the stick on my return from work this evening. A lot to like about it.. some things I'm not sure of yet. Pointless trying to make an informed report after such a short time but thus far.. I'm not disappointed. Oh.. while not being disappointed 'overall', I can report that the nav lights are from the same batch that came with the Chipmouse/Mossie and can be seen from space. Swap em out or don't turn em on;)

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DaveB:)

[WarHorse47]

I can report that the nav lights are from the same batch that came with the Chipmouse/Mossie and can be seen from space. Swap em out or don't turn em on;)

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DaveB:)I wish someone would make an app for that.... swaping' em out as you suggest.

[bazzar]

A lot depends on various factors. The sim you are in, the settings for that sim and your video card are the main ones. We had beta testers reporting from too bright to even not seeing them at all. :engel016:

[WarHorse47]

A lot depends on various factors. The sim you are in, the settings for that sim and your video card are the main ones. We had beta testers reporting from too bright to even not seeing them at all. :engel016:That's interesting. My install is with FSX and I have a new video card, yet the external Nav and Recognition lights are much brighter than my other a/c. I wish I knew what to do to moderate or control their intensity - other than turning them off entirely.

[DaveB]

A lot depends on various factors. The sim you are in, the settings for that sim and your video card are the main ones. We had beta testers reporting from too bright to even not seeing them at all. :engel016:

I guess it's also possible that some of your beta testers had modified fx files too Baz. It's not uncommon for some devs to fiddle with original fx (including fx_2.bmp which the Meteors files call) and pump em out with the same name rather than rename them. I've checked the dates of navredh/navgreh and navwhih and all are original 2006 flavour. My fx_2.bmp was 2007 vintage so I swapped it for an original (2006) file. The difference isn't noticeable with the naked eye on my rig. I can't imagine what files the testers who couldn't see them might have!!:dizzy:
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[DaveB]

System differences taken as read, I wonder if anything can be done about these..

The main gear mudguards are reflecting sunlight even though they're buried under the wings..
http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/fr1.jpg

The camera nose glass on the FR gives a particularly 'lit' appearance.. almost silver at some angles and I'd not expect to see as much of the inside of the bay as you can on the model..
http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/fr2.jpg

... and finally, anyone who's looked down the intakes of a Meatbox will know it's as black as a bag down there..
http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/fr3.jpg

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[bazzar]

Not always.:engel016:

[DaveB]

hahahahaha:biggrin-new:

I also had to bung a flash up close to actually see what was in there when I took the shots for Rick's Meatbox;)

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DaveB:)

[bazzar]

Good for you.

[DaveB]

So.. you think that looks ok then Bazzar?
EDIT: And your beta testers too as it managed to get past them.
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DaveB:)

[Roger]

Well Dave,

I guess it could have been a black hole but as AH had modelled the interior I suppose they didn't want to hide it:encouragement:.

[Javis]

A special committee of investigation had been formed.

http://sectionf8.com/f86files/met1.jpg


When the moment arrived it could only be designated as a place where the sun don't shine no matter how long the committee looked at it.

http://sectionf8.com/f86files/met2.jpg

:teapot:

[scotth6]

A special committee of investigation had been formed.

http://sectionf8.com/f86files/met1.jpg


When the moment arrived it could only be designated as a place where the sun don't shine no matter how long the committee looked at it.

http://sectionf8.com/f86files/met2.jpg




:applause::biggrin-new:

[AussieMan]

So.. you think that looks ok then Bazzar?
EDIT: And your beta testers too as it managed to get past them.
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DaveB:)

I have seen the Meteor based at Temora many times over the past few years and as a beta tester on the Meteor I never said anything as I didn't notice any difference between the models I was testing and the "Halestorm" aircraft at Temora.

Maybe Ian Warren can shed some light on his as well.

[bazzar]

If he sheds some light on it it'll just go bright again Pat. Dear me what are we going to do.

[hairyspin]

Most illuminating chaps, lol! :biggrin-new:

[DaveB]

Then I guess it's due to the fact it's always dull and miserable here in the UK:a1310:

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DaveB:)

[SpaceWeevil]

Then I guess it's due to the fact it's always dull and miserable here in the UK:a1310:

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DaveB:)

Or, of course, that everything Chuck Yeager has been saying about us on Twitter is true...:mixed-smiley-010:

[spatialpro]

Possibly against my better judgement (?!) I'm gonna chance my arm at entering this debate. I should say I don't own this product, so I'm only commenting on the screenshots here and on other forums (CBFSIM springs to mind). First, I'd have thought that a good amount of baked-in AO would've darkened these areas (plus, in the case of the FR the interior of nose, plus the camera etc. would probably be jet black, as with the Hunter PR11 nosecone and F95s I own and am restoring). That aside... a thought briefly popped into my head... could this be an FSX vs P3D textures issue (i.e. textured in 3DS Max with one sim's SDK, but rendered in the other sim). Strictly speaking textures for one are no longer fully compatible with the other, as they once were. Perhaps this is causing an issue? What prompted this thought was the screenshot below, taken from AH's own website, where the intakes look fine and different to the customer's screenshots. Maybe JF changed something once AH handed her over?

Andy

http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/img/products/meteor/gearup.jpg

[DaveB]

I'm thinking that shot is from P3D Andy. Looking at the shading on the RH intake where the sun is lighting the front inner (outer) area, there's a defined line of shadow. FSX doesn't shade like that even with aircraft cast shadows on itself enabled. It could be argued that you can still see a little too much in the shaded area but the effect is a lot more realistic than can be seen in FSX. If it looked like that in FSX, I'd be happy.

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DaveB:)

[Roger]

If you look for "Meteor_WellsB_t" in the main texture folder and darken the "Normal" dds file the interior is much less obvious.

[Roger]

Screenshot:

http://i.imgbox.com/Q81qRBLY.jpg (http://imgbox.com/Q81qRBLY)

[DaveB]

Hmm.. that doesn't work for me Roger. A valiant attempt though. The problem (in FSX DX9 at least) would seem to be that these parts (intakes, camera bay and main gear covers) are picking up sunlight.. the intakes through the nacelles.. the camera bay through the fuse and the main gear mudguards through the wings. All these areas appear more 'burned' (as Andy suggested) in the promo screenshots. Pat seems to think all these look good anyway though I don't know if that was in response to the screenshots I posted or if its how he see's them in P3D and didn't look at my screenshots. In any event.. they don't look good in FSX DX9.

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[bazzar]

Has it occurred to you to put in a support ticket? Or perhaps a PM to me or perhaps an email? It's amazing what can be achieved by just asking. When have you ever known JF or us for that matter not respond to suggestion/comment. :engel016:

[DaveB]

Well Bazzar.. I started by asking if anything could be done about it and the response was less than helpful. I also hoped that Martyn would pop in but he's not so JF will get a ticket. It was my next step anyway though it is a weekend so there's no particular hurry.

If this and future releases are optimised for P3D, then all well and good. Nobody wants unhappy customers so it's probably easier not to be a customer;)

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[IanHenry]

Well Bazzar.. I started by asking if anything could be done about it and the response was less than helpful. I also hoped that Martyn would pop in but he's not so JF will get a ticket. It was my next step anyway though it is a weekend so there's no particular hurry.

If this and future releases are optimised for P3D, then all well and good. Nobody wants unhappy customers so it's probably easier not to be a customer;)

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DaveB:)
Don't you think, maybe your over reacting a little?


Ian

[bazzar]

and all over the colour of an engine intake? Well, whatever floats one's boat I suppose. If you're not going to be a customer then you probably won't be needing the patch then.:engel016:

[Mach3DS]

AH flipping fantastic job guys!!! I really really like what I see! Have you guys ever thought of doing the Mirage III? Just saying... :encouragement:

[bazzar]

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Many, many subjects, too little time...:engel016:

[emfrat]

AH flipping fantastic job guys!!! I really really like what I see! Have you guys ever thought of doing the Mirage III? Just saying... :encouragement:

Could you explain what is wrong with the IIIB and IIIC from Restauravia?
http://restauravia.fr/html/creations_fsx.html

MikeW

[menef]

A good Jaguar is very missing in our FSX skies....:engel016:

[DaveB]

Don't you think, maybe your over reacting a little?


Ian

You might think so Ian but don't forget that money has changed hands. IF it were to be that the model was optimised for the newer sim and a consequence of which meant it displayed as it does in FSX (we're talking camera bay and glass, main gear mudguards as well as the show stopping engine bay) then who'd want to buy it for the older sim.. at least without knowing this beforehand.

IF, on the other hand, these anomalies are a consequence of an errant file or files.. then a simple 'yeah, I know what's causing that.. fire a quick support ticket off to JF to start the ball rolling' would be more than sufficient don't you think?

TBH, I could easily have side-stepped the F8 as it's probably my least favourite Meatbox but new-build Brit jets of this type are so few and far between that one feels almost obliged to buy them in order to support sales in the hope that more will come.
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[ColoKent]

I'll absolutely be buying this when I get home....

In the same general theme, I really could get excited about a Venom, or failing that, a Vampire as well!

Kent

[WarHorse47]

and all over the colour of an engine intake? I can just hear the banter at the Officers Mess now. "My what clean nacelles you have." "Why thank you. The crew just washed them yesterday. Bird strike, you know." :biggrin-new:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/WarHorse47/2016-10-8_18-6-31-49_zpswiupaaud.jpg

[cajj1]

I can just hear the banter at the Officers Mess now.Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.

[thefrog]

Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.
Well I thought I was following this thread ok, but now it's turned into some sort of incomprehensible nightmare!

[cajj1]

Well I thought I was following this thread ok, but now it's turned into some sort of incomprehensible nightmare!

Is there something wrong with my banter?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myIB1TrPpTE

[WarHorse47]

Is there something wrong with my banter?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myIB1TrPpTE:encouragement::encouragement: :biggrin-new:

[Roger]

Excellent! Borrowed by Armstrong and Miller some thirty years later:applause:

[scotth6]

Well I thought I was following this thread ok, but now it's turned into some sort of incomprehensible nightmare!

I am much preferring this later banter compared to the previous "banter".

I laugh out loud every time I think of those Armstrong and Miller sketches.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RgcwyI-NlvI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3GABT_l6VF0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqiabZqPmpU)

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uqiabZqPmpU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


And the whole collection:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcwyI-NlvI&list=PLvgKGKYxp14XtfGjoziAFLvzYYX5VJ07e


Cheers,

[dhazelgrove]

There's always this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE), of course.....

Dave

[cajj1]

More Armstrong & Miller, with the addition of Mitchell & Webb


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGp4DvFEgh8

"They fly Hurricanes, isn't it?, them's **** planes for remtards on free dinners..."

[Martyn]

I also hoped that Martyn would pop in but he's not so JF will get a ticket.

Apologies for the late reply. I've only just returned to the office from our annual Flight Simulator show at RAF Cosford so I've not seen this thread until now.

We are looking into your feedback and will update you shortly.

[Mach3DS]

Could you explain what is wrong with the IIIB and IIIC from Restauravia?http://restauravia.fr/html/creations_fsx.htmlMikeWI'm not sure how making an inquiry about a developer creating a new aircraft qualifies as me saying that another product had a defect? I would like to see an AH version of the Mirage III...maybe Swiss RS version? BTW there's not really anything wrong with the RA Mirage III.

[DaveB]

Apologies for the late reply. I've only just returned to the office from our annual Flight Simulator show at RAF Cosford so I've not seen this thread until now.

We are looking into your feedback and will update you shortly.

Cheers Martyn:encouragement:

You mention the FS Show at Cosford.. I'd forgotten all about it and could have gone:banghead: I usually work weekends so had mentally filed the show into file 13. My better half would have loved it too:mixed-smiley-027:
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[bazzar]

Should find something waiting on your desk Martyn.:engel016:

[Henry]

:jump:IWAS TOLD THERES AMETEOR SHOWER TONIGHT:biggrin-new:THANKS H

[emfrat]

I'm not sure how making an inquiry about a developer creating a new aircraft qualifies as me saying that another product had a defect? I would like to see an AH version of the Mirage III...maybe Swiss RS version? BTW there's not really anything wrong with the RA Mirage III.

Thankyou Rick - you're a gentleman to say so. It just annoys me to see payware automatically praised above freeware, which in many cases provides a superior product. I am not part of Restauravia, just a happy client.
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MikeW

[Alex_Ford]

Hello All. I am pleased to say that we have released an updated version of the Meteor and it is available from our site now. www.justflight.com Please un-install your current install and install the re-downloaded version to see the changes. Here is a list of items addressed:• Interior nacelle main spar and engine details now black.• Denser, darker glass on camera windows for the FR.9 models.• Black detailing in camera bay.• Paint correction on airbrakes for VZ467 aircraft.• Smaller navigation lights all models.• Increased ambient occlusion shadow on wheel mudguards.ThanksAlex FordJust Flight Ltd.

[Roger]

Well that's great service from all concerned:applause:

[DaveB]

Indeed Roger.. thanks all involved:encouragement:

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DaveB:)

[DaveB]

http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/fr4.jpg

http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/fr5.jpg

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[Roger]

I run fairly high contrast on my monitor so I needed a little help in the vc to see gauges and switches so I added this line to the aircraft.cfg:

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit
light.0 = 4, 9.180, 0.0, 2.720, fx_vclight

[WarHorse47]

I run fairly high contrast on my monitor so I needed a little help in the vc to see gauges and switches so I added this line to the aircraft.cfg:

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit
light.0 = 4, 9.180, 0.0, 2.720, fx_vclightThanks. I'll give it a try. Had the same problem seeing various switches and needed some vc flood lighting.

[AussieMan]

Picked up the Service Pack for the Meteor this morning and was pleasantly surprised with one of the changes. With all the discussion about the engine nacelle interiors I was dreading an all black interior of the nacelles but was happy to see only the main spar was a metallic burnt black. However I feel that the engine parts are too dark and you cannot make out the engine parts. Overall the changes made in the Service Pack were good but I was disappointed with the engine nacelle interiors. Feel it was a little overdone. JMHO.

[Timmy74]

I am truly grateful for the efforts and work that has gone into this aircraft. Thank you very much to all involved.

However, I believe in the VC position, the "view point" is to low in this aircraft. Now this raises another issue....when I go to amend my view point (higher and a little forward) the gun site ring on the HUD moves out of frame.

Other than that she is nice.

Cheers,


p.s. The RAAF paint A77-17 is incorrect! "Bowl Em Over" was actually A77-207 flown by Pilot Officer Geoff Collins.

[spatialpro]

....when I go to amend my view point (higher and a little forward) the gun site ring on the HUD moves out of frame

Could you post a screenshot?

Does anyone else see the same using a TrackIR?

[DaveB]

Picked up the Service Pack for the Meteor this morning and was pleasantly surprised with one of the changes. With all the discussion about the engine nacelle interiors I was dreading an all black interior of the nacelles but was happy to see only the main spar was a metallic burnt black. However I feel that the engine parts are too dark and you cannot make out the engine parts. Overall the changes made in the Service Pack were good but I was disappointed with the engine nacelle interiors. Feel it was a little overdone. JMHO.

Pat..
Look around the web and see how many shots you can find where you can actually see what's down the nacelle. I've found one. It's an air to air shot taken slightly off centre and the Meteor (it's an F8 too) is flying pretty much bang into the sun in the climb. Under these circumstances.. you would be able to see the proverbial black cat in a coal house!! Honestly.. it IS rather dark inside;)
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[spatialpro]

WRT the views expressed in previous posts, remember that what one sees and what one perceives are two different things. To illustrate, it is estimated only 10% of what we perceive is actually seen by our eyes... the other 90% is interpolated and extrapolated by our brains! This is a scary thought when driving down the highway, surrounded by other drivers who are also only seeing 10% of the world around them! The same logic applies to witness statements from crime scenes and intelligence analysis... worrying indeed! The relevance here is that what one person sees and perceives of a real Meteor engine intake and sees and perceives in a rendered 3D model of a Meteor will not be the same, let alone the same as another individual. This would certainly apply to shade and brightness... and don't even get me started on "colour", whatever that is!! I'm not taking any sides here (and I don't even own the AH & JF Meteor!), merely raising awareness...

[hairyspin]

WRT the views expressed in previous posts, remember that what one sees and what one perceives are two different things...

...and with age, we rely more on experience to work out what we're seeing, sometimes leading to surprising initial impressions when encountering the unexpected. I'll just leave that with you and ask if someone can pass the Horlicks, thanks.

Fine model, Martyn et al, mighty fine!

[bazzar]

Could you post a screenshot?

Does anyone else see the same using a TrackIR?

The gunsight is collimated.:engel016:

[Timmy74]

Could you post a screenshot?

Does anyone else see the same using a TrackIR?

I do not use "Track IR" but here are the two screen shots of what I mean....

Standard "view point". Gun sight ring can be seen...
http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2016/10/13/F.8Standard.jpg

When I move my "view point" to which I think is correct...and matches the pilots head height from out side shots. You can only just see the bottom of the gun sight ring.
http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2016/10/13/F.8change.jpg

Cheers,
Tim.

[hairyspin]

Lower your seat? They were adjustable afaik.

[Dimus]

That how a collimated gunsight is supposed to work. Your head is a bit too high on the second one so naturally your eye point is out of the line of sight.

[Timmy74]

Hairyspin and Dimus....!?

You have missed my point! Like I stated before....I feel that the seat height/View Point is to low in this aircraft. To me it does does not match the view height of the pilot modelled in the exterior view nor does it with any other photo of a Meteor with a pilot in it.

I am not looking for a fix or to open up a can of worms. I just wanted to state that -in my opinion- the interior "view point" looks incorrect. NOW...I am just going to have to live with this because clearly the collimated gun sight can not be adjusted to suit varying seat heights.

I am truly chuffed with this add on and have been eagerly awaiting for its release! Its only a small gripe from me that the view point is a little to low.

So in conclusion the best way around this is to not use the gun sight at all. SIMPLE!

Case closed!

[Dimus]

No Problem Timmy! I believe that quite often pilots had to crouch a bit to aim when firing the guns. I have tested many addons like the MV F-100D, F-4E and the Simworks F-4E and in all those you have to lower your viewpoint to be able to see the sight pipper. Multiple viewpoints are often offered, one for focusing on the panel-gunsight and another, more elevated to serve better when taking off or landing.

[WarHorse47]

Anybody know if there is going to be a paint kit or additional livery packs? Baz, you out there?? :adoration:

[Martyn]

Anybody know if there is going to be a paint kit or additional livery packs? Baz, you out there?? :adoration:

Paint kit can be downloaded here -http://www.justflight.com/support/meteor-f8-fr-9/c2bab3b

[big-mike]

Hairyspin and Dimus....!?

You have missed my point! Like I stated before....I feel that the seat height/View Point is to low in this aircraft. To me it does does not match the view height of the pilot modelled in the exterior view nor does it with any other photo of a Meteor with a pilot in it.

I am not looking for a fix or to open up a can of worms. I just wanted to state that -in my opinion- the interior "view point" looks incorrect. NOW...I am just going to have to live with this because clearly the collimated gun sight can not be adjusted to suit varying seat heights.

I am truly chuffed with this add on and have been eagerly awaiting for its release! Its only a small gripe from me that the view point is a little to low.

So in conclusion the best way around this is to not use the gun sight at all. SIMPLE!

Case closed!

The view point is too low----how can i raise it up?
Mike

[awstub]

According to my father (flew F-86E/F, B-57B/C & F-4C/D/E), when delivering ordinance you had to:

1) Set your gun sight based on the altitude & airspeed you are going to deliver the ordinance with (based on a reference chart).
2) Adjust your seat so your eyepoint aligns with the gun sight.

He also says that it was common practice to adjust the seats as high as they could go during take offs and landings.


No Problem Timmy! I believe that quite often pilots had to crouch a bit to aim when firing the guns. I have tested many addons like the MV F-100D, F-4E and the Simworks F-4E and in all those you have to lower your viewpoint to be able to see the sight pipper. Multiple viewpoints are often offered, one for focusing on the panel-gunsight and another, more elevated to serve better when taking off or landing.

[WarHorse47]

The view point is too low----how can i raise it up?
Mike

Open up the aircraft folder. Make a copy of your aircraft.cfg file just in case. You can always restore it if things don't work out.

Open the aircraft.cfg file with an editor program like Notebook. Scroll down to the [Views] section towards the bottom.
Look for the following entry:

[Views]
eyepoint= 9.180, 0.0, 2.820

This represents //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from reference datum

The value of 2.820 controls height, so you need to experiment as to what works for you. I would change it from 2.820 to 2.830 for starters. Always change in small increments, then test it by loading FSX and the aircraft. I typically save the original coordinates and make a new entry like this:

[Views]
//eyepoint= 9.180, 0.0, 2.820
eyepoint= 9.180, 0.0, 2.830

Keep in mind that by making this change you might throw off the gunsight since that is uses a different set of coordinates. Whenever I need to change my view I use the keyboard shortcut key while in flight. If I find I'm doing that too much, then I make a more permanent change following the steps above.

[big-mike]

Thank you very much,WH.
That is much better now.
Mike