Polish Air Force 1939 redux - Baldy & UncleTgt

[baldy]

can anybody identify the gauges in this picture of the cockpit of the PZL P.11c in the Polish Aviation Museum, Krakow - and do we have any Polish language gauges in cfs2 ?

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40659&stc=1

any help would be appreciated

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but...Stockplane did a P-11 panel, with the following description...

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=46&id=19864

"This panel is for the PZL P.11c there are no gauges for Poland planes, so I have redraw as I can some gauges and I have changed their name so the original not will be overwrite.

The bmp are not more accurate, because I am not a great painter, but closed as possible for me to the real cockpit. There is a gunsight view too, and I have put the new gauges also in the VC Cockpit.

Best regards."

[baldy]

that's an excellent panel,far better than I could do - could quite easily adapt it to my case (with his permission of course ) -

thanks

Rami

[gaucho_59]

I did a bmp for that panel... modestly speaking... quite good. The photo in the posting is excellent,
except that the perspective is all wrong... I redid all of that so that it looks like proper frontal view...
Check it out ... if you want to use it... I'll send it to you...
I can also replace the faces of any existing gauge files... they are pretty self explanatory even
if you don't speak Polish... they are the basic altitude, IAS, etc.

G.

[baldy]

We are just about three weeks away from the 77th anniversary of the German invasion of Poland on 1st September 1939 and to mark this event UncleTgt and I ( with the help of others listed in the Readme ) are launching a new multi-lod version of the PZL P.11c. This fighter aircraft was the mainstay of the Polish Air Force's heroic defence of the homeland.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41707&stc=1

I shall be uploading this a/c very shortly and it should be available soon

baldy and UncleTgt

[gius]

Beautiful and impressive aircraft, congrats Baldy and Uncle:applause::applause:
Cheers,

Giuseppe

[Ian Astill]

Looks absolutely stunning! :applause:

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/239414707495697223.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: A new multi-lod version of the mainstay of the air defence of Poland in the first weeks of September 1939. Please follow the readme to get the best from this model and to learn about the heroic pilot who flew the real thing.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL P.11c (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21734&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Baldy,

Magnificent! Thank you so much! :very_drunk:

Question: Are Captain Kurt's skins compatible with this update?

[baldy]

This is a completely new made for CFS 2 aircraft and looking at Captain Kurt's textures the mapping is not compatible - however since this is Freeware anyone is free to create new skins - ask Uncle nicely

baldy

[msfossey]

Thank you Baldy, UncleTgt; this is a great plane. I enjoy learning about the lesser know planes from WWII. I cannot imagine the courage the Polish pilots must have needed to engage the Bf-109's while flying this kite.

Thanks for sharing your work with us,

msfossey

[SPman]

Nice little plane, Baldy. Well done.

Dad had a mate who was ex Polish Airforce - a WO pilot. He said he never even got a chance to fly against the Germans - they lost all their fighters on the ground in the initial attacks - apart from a couple who managed to take off and were promptly shot down! Interesting chap. He and a mate then got hold of a small liason plane and managed to get to France to join their A/F, then a couple of months later, they had to flee to England! Ended up in the RAF flying Hurricanes in the Med., by the sound of it, mainly on ground attack missions. Loved Hurricanes, hated Spitfires - he reckoned the Hurricane was a tougher plane - he was shot down 3 times - the last time in a harbour in Italy, where he ended up sheltering under a sea wall with a German gun emplacement on top of the wall! He managed to sneak away, joined up with an Italian Partisan group and fought with them for several months before re-joining the Allies. Married a British lass and ended up in New Zealand after the war. He's long dead now, but I often wished I'd "pumped" him more about his experiences.

[UncleTgt]

a few repaint options...

[Captain Kurt]

Nice job guys. Its great to have a brand new plane in the hangar. :encouragement:

[Rami]

Badly,

Thank you for this badly needed upgrade! And thanks to UncleTgt as well for creating some incredible skins! :encouragement:

[baldy]

Kind of you to say so Rami - this really was a joint effort by myself and UncleTgt - but thanks also go to others ( see readme ) whose work helps us along

btw you may be interested to see a progress pic of our next effort

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42072&stc=1

as someone once said ' can you guess what it is yet ? '

baldy

[gius]

PZL P23 Karas!

Keep up the good work, thank you Baldy. :applause: :applause:

[Rami]

Baldy,

My pleasure! I was tipped off a while ago by a mutual friend that these may be afoot. I've been saying for a long time that we needed an overhaul of the Fall Weiss aircraft for the Polish side so I can update the campaign package with proper Polish aircraft, and now this may be coming true!

[oldwheat]

Kind of you to say so Rami - this really was a joint effort by myself and UncleTgt - but thanks also go to others ( see readme ) whose work helps us along

btw you may be interested to see a progress pic of our next effort

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42072&stc=1

as someone once said ' can you guess what it is yet ? '

baldy

Still missing a fixed undercarriage. Sneaky!

[baldy]

OW - good to hear from you - still lots to do

Rami - well if this one works out may move on to something bigger

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

Absolutely no pressure. Just having a PZL P-11c and a PZL P-23b are major steps forward. The P-11a and P-7a can probably be modified from the PZL P-11c. That covers most of them!

[baldy]

Took a bit of time off the P 23 to see what work the P.11c needed to make a P.7a - this is what I've come up with --


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42084&stc=1

but I better get back on the P 23

baldy

[bearcat241]

I'm surprised it hasn't come up yet in this thread, but where does one find the PL gauges required by the PZL P.11c's panel.cfg. There were no gauges in my download package. Is everyone using alternative gauges i don't know about?

[UncleTgt]

from the readme
- note to get the guages to go with this panel it is necessary to download Stockplane's P11c_panel.zip from the SOH add-on library

Stockplane Panel (for gauges)
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=46&id=19864
:costumed-smiley-034

[bearcat241]

Thanks Uncle, and you know the weird thing about that readme is i that saw the tips for the sound and weaps, got those, and totally skipped the panel info.:dizzy:

[Rami]

Baldy et al,

I finally got a chance to test this aircraft, and I love it! However, I cannot find the weapons. :wiggle: Can someone please help me?

Thanks in advance,

[baldy]

Hi Rami

they're from Aerocrete's website or via No Dice's Free Flight site - however on checking this morning the site and links appear to be down - would there be any objection to me posting them as an attachment ? this problem also applies to the Breguet Br270 loadout

baldy

[bearcat241]

this problem also applies to the Breguet Br270 loadout

Okaaaay...that explains the P11 dp boxes now. You borrowed the dp from the Breguet! When i first installed it and opened the dp for examination, i had a "what the what?" moment (LOL) as i stared at the layout of the boxes. So i took the dp from the 1% P11 and after some adjustments made it fit. I really like this model. Having a lot of fun whipping it around the virtual skies. Tweaked the air files and the panel a bit for my taste. Here's the panel below.

I'm really curious about the original bright orange (or red) G-meter gauge in the top left in this package as well as Stockplane's version. After looking at several close up pics around the web of the P11 instrument panel and comparing this gauge with the similarities in the Japanese Ki-44 manifold pressure gauge, i'm not convinced the original instrument was a G-meter. Can anyone confirm this?

http://i.imgur.com/9Uu3CSy.jpg

[baldy]

that's the problem with panels that use gauges in an unfamiliar language - I find lots of problems when trying to produce a reasonable panel and I very often don't succeed.

baldy

[bearcat241]

Copy that...had the same problem in researching it. That's why i'm asking here. Can't make out the language i see in the RW panel close ups. I dismissed the idea of the G-meter because of the real aircraft's historical 7.5g corner speed at 180 mph. The max limit showing on the defo G-meter gauge was about 4g, so that didn't line up with the historical capability of the plane. But the '4' would make sense if you read it as a max of 40 inches of MP. That's when i went poking around in my collections and found the similar-looking Ki-44 MP gauge. Now if i could just find an easy way to paint the whole face orange-red...LOL

[UncleTgt]

gau2bmp will do it, just rename your "new" gauge before you modify the bmp

http://simviation.com//cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=misc&file=gaubmp2.zip

[bearcat241]

Thanks, a handy little tool, but i have better extraction/editing features in FSPS. I was just expressing a moment of laziness. :untroubled:

[baldy]

Today is the 77th anniversary of the German invasion of Poland thus starting World War II

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

Yes, it is! And thanks for all of your hard work representing the Polish Air Force during that period!

[miamieagle]

What a terrible event in History. But real.:culpability:

[baldy]

Hi all

As part of our efforts to re-new Polish aircraft for CFS2 UncleTgt and I are launching an all new multi lod model of the PZL 23b Karas. As far as I am aware the only other model of this aircraft is fifteen years old - so let's hope this one stands comparison. I have also created a new set of Polish bombs to arm this a/c ( include in pack )

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42709&stc=1

The readme explains our debt to Eric of AOL and others who produced the original all those years ago.

This aircraft carried out the first bombing raid over German territory after the German invasion of Poland. I am about to upload today

baldy and UncleTgt

[Rami]

Baldy,

Awesome! Many, many thank yous on this one! :wavey:

[Typhoon Willy]

Baldy/UncleTgt,

Thanks very much for this plane!

TW

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/127514731775213112.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: Single engine, three seat, light bomber and recce aircraft of Polish Air Force. It was still in front-line service, although obselete, when the Germans invaded on 1st September 1939. When the situation became hopeless many of these a/c were flown by their crews to Romania. The a/c were put to use in the Romanian Air Force. The crews continued the fight by escaping to France then the UK.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL 23B Karas.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21838&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[misson]

Very nice! Thank u Baldy
Mario

[Captain Kurt]

Thanks guys. Nice to see some new aircraft here. :applause:

[baldy]

When UncleTgt and I posted our PZL P.11c Rami expressed the hope that we might also do the earlier aircraft, the P.7a - well we have and here it is - as usual UncleTgt has done most of the work - I've done the model so I claim all the credit - anyway here she is, I'm uploading now


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42923&stc=1

hope it meets with approval

baldy

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/760214736240764037.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: Single engine Polish fighter aircraft of the 1930s. Mainly replaced in front line squadrons by the PZL P.11c, However at the time of the German invasion there were still 30 P.7s forming three fighter squadrons and 70+ others in support units. At the end of the campaign several aircraft escapted to Romania where they were used as trainers.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL P.7a.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21863&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Baldy,

Does it meet my approval??? I can't thank you enough for these! I've been saying for years that my biggest regret for Fall Weiss and Poland 1939 was not having updated Polish aircraft. You've done both main fighter types, as well as the Karas. These are all very nice models, but more importantly, they remain relatively simple and are very FPS-friendly, making them perfect as replacements for the originals.

If you choose to do so, the P-11c can easily be modified into a P-11a...all you'd need to do is slap on the skin from the Fall Weiss version and delete the exposed gun ports on the top wing, because she only had the two grooved on the sides of the fuselage.

If that's all you can do, that's fine...the last two would be a PZL P-37 (K. Malinowski's version is not multi-lod) and the RWD-14/Czapla. Then that's a full replacement!

For the record, the P-11s used the British Mercury for a sound pack, the Karas has a Bristol Pegasus (I included this with my Balkans campaign sets, among others) and the P-7 uses a Bristol Jupiter.

[baldy]

Hi Rami,

Glad you like our efforts - couple of things - is there a Bristol Pegasus sound pack ? couldn't find one when doing the model - is there a Bristol Jupiter sound ?

As to P.11a - simple to delete wing guns but texture would have to wait till Uncle gets back from holiday unless there's the right one in his pack.

However I'm a bit busy with this at the moment


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42930&stc=1

this one is not quite so simple but I aim to persevere

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

Yes...it used to come with the Alphasim Swordfish years back when the Fairey Swordfish model was still payware. When they became freeware, I don't think they included the sound pack with it, but I figured what the hell, and included it with the Balkans campaign, so you can grab it from that if you need it.

Also, the Handley-Page Hampden has a twin-engined variant of the Pegasus which has one of the best startup sequences I've ever heard. That's also in the SOH library.

As far as a Bristol Jupiter, there is not.

And thank you for the PZL P37!

Update: There is not the appropriate skin for the -11a, so I have no issue waiting. I know UncleTgt is heading out; I'm working closely with he and Devildog73 on something.

[baldy]

thanks for that - btw check your email

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

My pleasure. By the way, thanks for the rent-a-wreck version. I used the Romanian skin to remind myself to change it upon general release.

You shouldn't have to do anything else for this (-11a) model. Essentially, the PZL P-11a variant was an up-engined P-7a. There were very minor detail changes between the 11-a and 11-c, including some subtle streamlining and a minor lowering of the engine in the nose to give the pilot a better view. You already covered the latter in the -11c, and frankly, I really doubt that anyone flying her would notice, even a rivet-counter.

The changes are very minute, and really didn't lead to any increase in performance, primarily because the removal of the two .303 machine guns and their ammo make the -11a a little lighter, and thus made their performance about equal.

[baldy]

In the ongoing attempts to update the Polish aircraft in CFS2 I offer two wips - PZL 37a Los and PZL 37b Los

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43215&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43216&stc=1

as you can see they're basically the same aircraft with on major difference - the tail unit - the 37a has one fin/rudder - the 37b has two

at present the paint shop is closed for holidays but will resume soon.

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

You are doing an enormous service to the CFS2 community by doing these; thank you doesn't cover it. :jawdrop: Outstanding work! :triumphant: :medals: :angel:

[baldy]

Hi

I'm currently doing this a/c and I've read that one of these floatplanes attempted a bombing raid on the old German battleship ' Shleswig Holstein ' near the port of Danzig. My problem is that I've been unable to discover any info at all about how bombs were carried or how many or what size - so if anyone can help me out I'd be more than grateful.

pic of landplane wip

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43822&stc=1

thank you in advance

baldy

[No Dice]

Best I can find so far:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43827&stc=1

Tube rack under cockpit:
http://www.modelwork.pl/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=25314&start=30&view=print

[baldy]

Hi No Dice

Is that a bomb rack - some pics show it central and some off-centre to starbord ( and all are drawings - so how reliable ? )

one article says 'a stick of 55lb bombs' - what does that mean ? information is very sparse - I might have to invent but I'd rather not

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

You have done an outstanding job on these, thank you so much! :very_drunk:

[No Dice]

oddly enough, facing forward, the rack seems to be off center to the right ????

Yet as best I can tell, that is the rack. Like yourself...I have yet to find a pic with bombs mounted.
from what I can find, seems only the float versions carried the bomb racks ??

[baldy]

I think you're right - the only mention of bombs is with regard to the attack? on the Shleswig Holstein but it seems illogical to have an off-centre bomb rack

if that tube thing was central it could have been a fixing for, say, a couple of twin racks for 20kg bombs but I'm just guessing

so we'll just have to keep looking

thanks for your help No Dice, I've still got plenty of work to do on both the land- and floatplanes

baldy

[Boatz]

I'm pretty sure what your seeing is a cowling that covers the control rods & linkages, I don't think this aircraft had a factory bomb mount and a mount would probably not be that far aft (major COG problem). See attached pics/drawings.

[baldy]

Hi Boatz

I think that clinches it - having found no real evidence of bomb loads I think we must conclude the fitters at the Hel base jury-rigged some kind of bomb release probably on the wings

Much appreciate your contribution to this search and I can make the appropriate change to the model

baldy

[No Dice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lublin_R-VIII

There could be mounted an additional fuel tank, increasing the range to 1720 km, though this reduced the bomb load.

Bomb load: in bomber variant up to 1000 kg, in seaplane variant - 300 kg.


Still researching...info is vary scarce.

[baldy]

Hi No Dice

I think the R-VIII is a side track - an earlier biplane bomber (similar in appearance to the Potez 25) - there just doesn't seem to be the info around

baldy

[baldy]

She floats and flies

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43865&stc=1

still plenty to do

baldy

[No Dice]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=wardie_land/detail=factbook/id=505364

This is the NLAC Lublin 13, the Plage i Laśkiewicz (Lublin) R-XIII was an army cooperation plane which had a parasol wing and was powered by a Wright Whirlwind J-5, their main duties was observation and recon, but a few were later modified into light bombers. The Lublin 13 began production by New London Aeronautical Company as the NLAC Lublin 13 Mk I (R-XIIIB) in 1932, then in 1933 the most numerous variant was produced, the NLAC Lublin 13 Mk II (R-XIIID), which introduced a Townend ring on a radial engine, and a new engine cowling. The NLAC Lublin 13 Mk III was a modification which had small bomb racks installed under the wings, for a couple of 25 lb bombs under each wing, or a single 100 lb bomb under each wing. The Lublin 13s entered RIWAF service in 1932, and served in the Qaran Rebellion, Third Snow War, as well as the Saqan Mercenary War. By the time of the Third Snow War they were horribly obsolete, they were slow, with a maximum speed of just 116 mph, and the aircraft's rearward-firing 1x (or 2x) 0.303 Lewis (or Vickers K) machine gun(s) were off little defence against the more modern Snowlandian fighters, and even bombers.

Take a look see:

Dave

[baldy]

Nice try No Dice, but not hard intelligence. I think the reference I found of ' a stick of 55lb bombs ' might be nearer the truth of two 25kg bombs under each wing

baldy

[UncleTgt]

These are WIP screenshots only, there have been exchanges about internal colouring & prop textures:dizzy:... currently undergoing flight testing, so not far off now.:bee:

[msfossey]

Thank you for your efforts Baldy and UncleTgt. I'm looking forward to this.

msfossey

[baldy]

Just thought I'd add a little teaser - first full dress max bomb run



http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43999&stc=1

Rami - you might consider changing title of this thread to Polish Air Force 1939 because there are other a/c coming off the ramp soon

baldy

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/501814774170869905.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: Pre-war medium bomber of Polish Air Force - the first ten a/c had single fin and was called the 37a - in service at German invasion and the few survivors evacuated to Romania where they were put to use by Romanian Air Force.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL 37a Los.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21974&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/322914774178012025.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: Main production run of PZL 37 - differed from 37a in having twin fins and formed main body of Polish Air Force bomber arm. Those that survived the German invasion ( many being destroyed in combat, captured by the Germans or destroyed by the Poles to prevent them falling into enemy hands ) flew to Romania. Initially the Romanians used them as trainers but they were used operationally against the Soviet Union when they assisted the Germans in the invasion of Russia.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL 37b Los.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21975&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[baldy]

Just like to mention that we have just uploaded both the PZL 37a and B models which will be available shortly

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44035&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44036&stc=1

other Polish Air Force machines of the Aug - Sept 1939 period will be uploaded as they are completed

baldy and UncleTgt

[Rami]

Baldy,

I can't thank you enough for these. I will finally be able to give the Polish side of the Fall Weiss / September 1939 campaigns the update they truly deserve. :encouragement:

[Captain Kurt]

Thanks for these guys :jump:

[baldy]

Thank you guys - and here's the next one (been waiting for Uncle to return from a well deserved holiday)

The development of the P.7 which eventually led to the P.11c. This earlier a-version mainly differed from the c-version in that it only had two machine guns and was therefore at an extreme disadvantage to virtually any armed enemy a/c. Many were still in front-line service at the invasion and their pilots performed heroically with their limited equipment.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44093&stc=1

baldy

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/536914775958525646.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: Pre-war fighter of Polish Air Force a development of the P.7 but still woefully urder-armed having only two machine guns in fuselage. Although the P.11c with four machine guns was being brought into service at the time of the German invasion, many P.11a's were still in front line service.

This example bears the badge off 111 Eskadra - the proud badge that was to re-appear on Hurricanes and then Spitfires of 303 (Polish) Sqn., RAF - the highest scoring squadron of the Battle of Britain.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit PZL P.11a.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21980&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Baldy,

Many thanks on this one as well! :very_drunk:

[YoYo]

I came here by accident (to CFS topic) but its a VERY nice work! CRG!

:applause:

Regards.

[baldy]

YoYo

Thank you for your kind words - Uncle and I are trying to keep the spirit alive.

baldy

[SPman]

Thank you for your kind words - Uncle and I are trying to keep the spirit alive. You are certainly doing that - I'll add my kind words as well - magnificent effort for all us beknighted folk out here. Your work is much appreciated - ta muchly!

[baldy]

Just to let you know that UncleTgt and I have completed the RWD-14b Czapla observation aircraft and have now uploaded it to the library.


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44251&stc=1

baldy

[msfossey]

Baldy and UncleTgt, thank you for efforts. The planes you two are putting out are amazing and very interesting.

Much appreicated,

msfossey

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/213614781939546574.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: Pre-war observation aircraft of Polish Air Force, Still in front line service when the Germans invaded on 1st Sept 1939. There were about sixty of these aircraft in service although painfully obsolete and pitifully under-armed. Despite this the crews preformed their tasks heroically. Many were shot down (including those by their own AA fire) or destroyed on the ground. A mere handful escaped to Romania where they were used by the Romanian Air Force.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit RWD-14b Czapla.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=21995&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Baldy,

Outstanding job! I may be able to overhaul the Polish side to Fall Weiss / September 1939 this weekend!

[baldy]

Hi Rami

Me and Uncle haven't finished yet - there are two versions of the Lublin R-XIII in the paint shop as we speak or have you got enough to go on?

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

That was never used in the package, but likely because it was never available. I would be happy to incorporate it. :wavey:

[Rami]

Baldy and UncleTgt,

I've been working over the Fall Weiss and September 1939 package with these new aircraft. I can't even begin to express what a difference this has made, especially on the Polish side. I've also noticed other things, such as these aircraft actually having proper fuel loads. This means I can actually omit an air start or two.

Thank you once again for your efforts on this...my appreciation runs deeper than words. :encouragement:

[baldy]

Hi Rami

As to performance of these aircraft - that's down to Uncle, I just do the heavy lifting

Re : Lublin R-XIIIs - I suppose it wouldn't take much to add them to the campaign, after all the landplane performed the same function as the RWD-14b.

There were only twenty floatplanes made, one of which tried to find the old battleship Shleswig Holstein in Danzig Bay on the night of 7th Sept 1939. It failed in that and dropped its bombs on Danzig instead. All eleven aircraft of the Naval Air Squadron were destroyed in a German air raid on their base at Hel the next day.

I've done a 'take off/landing' mission for the floatplane using an approximate 'airfield' at the Hel peninsula - yours if you want it.

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

I did a GSL town and anchorage at Hel in the latest Fall Weiss edition. I could ask Kdriver to make a seaplane takeoff point for it and run the mission that way, the only trouble is that there are some land class issues around Danzig and in that whole sector.

I know John did the airfiles, but your modeling work is also spectacular.

I did however manage to build the fortress at Westerplatte.

[baldy]

Thank you sir, let me know if there's anything else I can do

baldy

[Rami]

Baldy,

Actually, there is. Any chance you could work on some of the archaic IS4G aircraft, specifically a Latecoere 298?

[baldy]

I'm looking in to it - I'll be in touch

baldy

[Captain Kurt]

Heck guys, if we are looking at what is the most badly needed update from the IS4G collection, IMHO it's the Fiat B.R.20 Cicogna. :indecisiveness:

Really nice work on the Polish aircraft Baldy. !!

[Rami]

Kurt,

That's another one.

The Fiat Br-20 Cicogna and the Latecoere 298 are among the worst. Fortunately now we have a decent Cr-32 and Cr-42, along with a G-50 and a G-55. A Macchi Mc-205 would be a big help.

There are also several twin-engined bombers and fighter/bombers, as well as recce aircraft that could use a new model. Most are in the IS4G set.

[baldy]

Have just finished uploading the last two aircraft in our series of Polish front line aircraft of the September 1939 campaign. The are the Lublin R-XIIId observation and liaison aircraft and the Lublin R-XIII g float plane of the Naval Air Squadron.



http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44527&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44528&stc=1

They should be available shortly

UncleTgt and baldy

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/359314791591257292.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: This obsolete observation aircraft of the early 1930s was still in front line service with the Polish Air Force when the Germans invaded on Sept 1st 1939. Many were destroyed on the ground in early German air raids and others shot down by Polish ground fire (aircraft recognition not a strong point). Despite this their crews performed heroically in the short period of the campaign. Several escaped to Romania after the Soviet Union attacked Poland from the east (in line with the Nazi-Soviet Pact )

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Lublin R-XIIId.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=22036&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[baldy]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/soh_ftp/uploads/imageuploads/433814791602133503.jpg
A new entry has been added to Add-Ons Library, category CFS 2 Aircraft - Other

Description: A float-plane version of the observation aircraft. At the outbreak of war there were about a dozen Lublin float planes based at Puck on the Hel Peninsula in the Bay of Danzig. On the night of Sept 7th one of these aircraft attempted to attack the German battleship 'Schleswig Holstein' which had been shelling Polish positions at Westerplatte near Danzig - without success. The next day all the aircraft at the Hel base were destroyed in a German air raid.

To check it out, rate it or add comments, visit Lublin R-XIII G.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?linkid=22037&catid=55)
The comments you make there will appear in the posts below.

[Rami]

Baldy,

I really appreciate this effort. I haven't decided whether or not to create the mission, seeing as how we don't have the vessel that was attacked, especially with this being a solo pilot effort. However, I have made sure to include this aircraft with the campaign package as a courtesy. Many thanks to both you and UncleTgt for your dedication and effort, it is immensely appreciated! :medals: :encouragement:

[baldy]

At a stretch Virtual Navy's VN_SMS_Seydlitz could be a stand-in, after all it was a night mission and I'm not sure the aircraft actually found her -- it's one of those cases where there's just not enough info - and more important and overwhelming events were happening.

Glad you like our efforts

UncleTgt and baldy