New payware gazelle for FsX. [Archive]

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Ferry_vO

June 12th, 2016, 03:23

Found this at SimMarket; don't know the developer but the screenshots look good:

http://secure.simmarket.com/mp-design-studio-soko-mostar-gazela-gazelle-sa342-fsx-p3d.phtml

DaveB

June 12th, 2016, 03:28

Hmm.. a decent Gazelle would get my attention. That one doesn't look too bad until you look closely. Round or curved surfaces aren't particularly round or curved which is a shame. Still.. the price won't break the bank. Thanks for the HU:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

ijay

June 12th, 2016, 05:27

Downloading now................
Will get back to you:running:

ijay

June 12th, 2016, 06:17

falcon409

June 12th, 2016, 06:33

Wow, that glass reflection really is a bit much. That would definitely have to go. I'd be interested to know what fixes that before I go for this one.

ian elliot

June 12th, 2016, 12:18

Is this all new ?, there's been a version knocking around by Abacus for a few years, im guessing their's no relation,
cheers ian

Ian Warren

June 12th, 2016, 13:31

I was asked to pass this message on by Sean,

"In the Gazelle thread, could you let them know that if they email the developer, they have an alternative interior model file that tones down the glass reflections. Also, the current addon represents the Gazelle as produced by SOKO in Yugoslavia. The dev is working on Aerospatiale and Westland versions. Paint kit coming in the future as well."

DaveB

June 12th, 2016, 13:36

Sounds promising Ian:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

conver

June 12th, 2016, 22:54

Like it for the price, have no idea about FDE or anything, not keen on smoke/heat shimmer, but that can be removed, or the rotor blur effect. But i like the model detail and the VC, just have a problem with VC glass reflections, but i'm sure there's a fix for that too.

Hello ijay.

Did you checked your video settings before posting those photos?
Do you have all the requirements for this addon?
Acceleration pack ?
What DirectX do you use?

Many pople, including me, bought this helicopter and no one reported this issue, actually it works fantastic.
Those guys made amazing job developing this gazelle and it's not ok to spoil their efforts with post like yours.
Check this forum, there are a lot off screenshots from virtual cockpit and there is no issue with glass reflection:

http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=76882

Also, I have to say that this Gazelle has absolutely amazing flight model (aerodynamic), never seen something like this before under FSX or P3D. I'm a real gazelle helicopter pilot and this is very realistic. All procedures are 100% realistic...
Did you notice that this is a first turbine helicopter with rotor clutch effect and rotor brake? This feature was available only for piston engine helicopters.
List of flight model features is amazing. I have tested transverse flow effect, vortex ring state, vibrations effect.... it's work perfectly.
They made a very helpful quick manual how to handle with equipment/switches and levers using mouse and keyboard. It's very useful for beginners.
Did you notice that in a folder called "manual" they put a printable checklists? very cool !!!
After pulling some G or performing sharp turns you can hear blade slap effect...
Engine has a cold start availability.
In my opinion, with all this features, this is the best helicopter on market for now!

DaveB

June 12th, 2016, 23:29

So.. you like it then Conver:biggrin-new:

ijay's comments weren't unfair and I really don't think he was trying to spoil their efforts my friend. If he doesn't like a particular effect.. then he doesn't like it. If I'd seen the glass reflections like that.. I'd be a little annoyed too!! It appears there's a fix (an alternate model with toned down glass reflections) and I'm sure he'll try it;)

Thanks for your glowing report anyway. Think I'll hang off until the Westland version appears but I'm sure the basics of this model will be incorporated into that one.
ATB
DaveB:)

conver

June 13th, 2016, 00:13

What particular effect we are talking about?
I don't think that those guys forgot to tone down glass reflection after all.
It's more closer to bug (due to some video settings or something else) then actual effect.
I would like to see virtual cockpit screenshots from other buyers, mine works great!

Folks please post some screenshots from cockpit.

DaveB

June 13th, 2016, 00:25

Hiya conver:wavey:

ijay mentioned the rotor blur and exhaust heat haze effect (we'll leave the glass out as this is something else). Rotor blur is notoriously difficult to be made to look convincing. I've a hangar full of helicopters.. some high-end that prove this!! Maybe he could swap one out for one off a different model. The heat haze likewise.
ATB
DaveB:)

ijay

June 13th, 2016, 01:18

Hello ijay.

Did you checked your video settings before posting those photos?
Do you have all the requirements for this addon?
Acceleration pack ?
What DirectX do you use?

Many pople, including me, bought this helicopter and no one reported this issue, actually it works fantastic.
Those guys made amazing job developing this gazelle and it's not ok to spoil their efforts with post like yours.
Check this forum, there are a lot off screenshots from virtual cockpit and there is no issue with glass reflection:

http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=76882

Also, I have to say that this Gazelle has absolutely amazing flight model (aerodynamic), never seen something like this before under FSX or P3D. I'm a real gazelle helicopter pilot and this is very realistic. All procedures are 100% realistic...
Did you notice that this is a first turbine helicopter with rotor clutch effect and rotor brake? This feature was available only for piston engine helicopters.
List of flight model features is amazing. I have tested transverse flow effect, vortex ring state, vibrations effect.... it's work perfectly.
They made a very helpful quick manual how to handle with equipment/switches and levers using mouse and keyboard. It's very useful for beginners.
Did you notice that in a folder called "manual" they put a printable checklists? very cool !!!
After pulling some G or performing sharp turns you can hear blade slap effect...
Engine has a cold start availability.
In my opinion, with all this features, this is the best helicopter on market for now!
Right time to address a few things firstly, I like the helicopter very much and have not or am knocking it in anyway!
I bought it because I wanted an FSX native Gazelle, and that's what it is, and it's very good too.
My comment about the FDE was just stating that I don't know about it, I'm no expert, have no programming experience or experience of flying a real gazelle and am not qualified to judge how it is, it feels right to me and it's me I bought it for.
The effects are a personal choice and again do not detract from the overall product, and as I said can be removed or replaced.
Am a long time user of FSX ACCELERATION, and have all the stated requirements to use the add on, my video settings have not been changed and other aircraft display perfectly as can be seen by the numerous screen shots I have sent to this site over the years.
Had pm conversation with one of the developers who said that this issue had been reported by one other user. It's been posted that there is a different internal mdl available with amended reflections and I have requested this via support...... a sign of the customer service shown by the developers seeing as only TWO people seem to have this issue!

Again I had no intention of knocking the product of which I am very pleased, just posted my opinion and screens so others can form there own conclusions.

ijay

June 13th, 2016, 04:17

Have received and installed replacement interior MDL and texture BMP from developer and can confirm that VC glass is now clear, this is now my go to heli at the moment.
There have been NO changes to my video or FSX setting other than to install the above.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38926&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38927&stc=1

Again i am sorry to those people who misinterpreted any of my comments as "spoiling" or in anyway being critical of the product as i say they were personal observations and as it turns out ALL fixable as i said!

i would like to take this opportunity to thank MPDesign Studio for their help and assistance, and their outstanding customer service. I will definitely be buying any future Gazelle variations produced by them.

b52bob

June 13th, 2016, 05:40

Sounds like a great company with great support, sometimes missing from others. They also price their product at a reasonable cost. I will be buying from them.

glad to see another FS company.

euroastar350

June 13th, 2016, 07:40

Will pick this up later in the day. Had a chance to fly in an Aerospatiale version back in 1999-2000 and she is a beast and a noisy one when starting up with no headsets on:wiggle:

falcon409

June 13th, 2016, 08:02

. . . . .Again i am sorry to those people who misinterpreted any of my comments as "spoiling" or in anyway being critical of the product as i say they were personal observations and as it turns out ALL fixable as i said!
i would like to take this opportunity to thank MPDesign Studio for their help and assistance, and their outstanding customer service. I will definitely be buying any future Gazelle variations produced by them.
ijay I wouldn't concern myself with the way you spoke about the Gazelle. Actually what you have is a passionate individual who sees anything said about the Gazelle that isn't glowing as someone who is trying to "spoil their efforts" and that wasn't the case with your original post. To be honest, if I had seen that reflection in a VC and paid money for the product, I would have wanted something done about it as well. Good that they were forthcoming with a fix and the fact that a fix surfaced so quickly tells me maybe it was something others were noticing as well.

I'll hold off a bit longer before getting this one, partly to see what other updates or improvements might be made in the next few weeks and also to see how far down the line the other versions might be.

ChipShop

June 13th, 2016, 11:19

I'm inclined to go along with DaveB, and wait for the Westland versions to be released! It does look very nice though!
ChipShop:encouragement:

WarHorse47

June 14th, 2016, 06:11

Well, I was interested in adding a Gazelle to the fleet so I picked this one up. The price was right.

The install was straightforward. Exterior and interior look good. Only one texture at the moment.

I had an issue with the glass, so I sent an e-mail to the developer and got the updated mdl and glass texture files this morning.

It starts easily with Ctrl-E. I went through the manual to learn the switches, so after startup there were a few switches to throw.

Getting airborne was easy. FDE seems pretty "twitchy" to me as compared to my other helos. Not sure about the sounds, but they're okay I guess. And I noticed that the shimmering effect causes a drop in FPS in external view, especially at the 6 o'clock position. Fortunately, I fly mainly from the cockpit.

Landing in one piece is another matter. No matter how delicate I attempt to land, I'm all over the place and eventually crash. This is going to be a challenge to master unless there is a way to tone down the controls or alter the contact points for a more stable landing.

My two cents. :untroubled:

Penzoil3

June 14th, 2016, 14:50

I bought, I like it. I got the VC fix promptly too. The only negative I have, is the desperate need for some other paints for it. Flys nice, love the vortex ring modeling. The vapor trail is a bit odd, but no big deal.
Sue

ijay

June 14th, 2016, 16:19

Have spoken to someone else who had the VC glass problem and we both use a non default GlobalEnvTest.dds, can't remember if it's BananaBobs or Bomber_12th's.
Did pass that i was using it to devs when i asked for the replacement VC, don't know if this would be the cause of the VC glass problem or at least a contributing factor.
Again this is not knocking the product or the customer service,both of which are exceptional:applause:

conver

June 18th, 2016, 22:47

Here are some screenshots from me, enjoy:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39124&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39122&stc=1

PaintKit is released for users who are willing to do some repaint, here are some first results and repaint is unfinished:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39125&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39126&stc=1

Cheers!

Portia911

June 18th, 2016, 23:02

Some nice shots there, conver - and your new skin looks good too! :applause:

ferondoe

June 19th, 2016, 00:43

trucker17

June 19th, 2016, 19:47

I have not bought the model yet, But from looking at the screens, it looks good.
This is one Heli i will be buying. Thanks for the heads up.

WarHorse47

June 20th, 2016, 11:25

Great addon. I've been flying it a lot lately.

Hope to see some more repaints once the paintkit is released.

conver

July 1st, 2016, 04:11

Demonstrating aerodynamic capabilities: :applause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAe-tY8rnoQ

spatialpro

July 4th, 2016, 01:07

Brilliant!

If you make a Westland AH1 version I'll buy it! If you need details of the AH1 I can help (I'm a Friend of the Museum of Army Flying). I'm also friends with an a former AAC Gazelle AH1 pilot, who started out as an engineer on the Gazelle before applying to fly. He served in Gulf War I and ended up as a maintenance test pilot on the Gazelle AH1. What he doesn't know about the AH1 isn't worth knowing!

Andy

flaviossa

July 5th, 2016, 09:50

Just got it too. Question: is the modified file refered in this topic in the previous page already in the instalation package? Or do i have to ask for them too?

dharry

July 9th, 2016, 00:42

Just got it too. Question: is the modified file refered in this topic in the previous page already in the instalation package? Or do i have to ask for them too?

If your glass reflection looks like post #4, you will have to contact MP Design Studio if you wish your glass to look like post #14.

conver

July 16th, 2016, 05:38

Some new repaints found on internet...
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40413&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40412&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40416&stc=1 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40415&stc=1

WarHorse47

July 16th, 2016, 06:09

Nice repaints. Where are they available? Any links?

hae5904

July 16th, 2016, 06:23

WH, Conver hasn't being really honest by telling so, he'd posted those pics at Hovercontrol before...... the paints are for the upcoming Aerospatiale version. :biggrin-new:

Hank

WarHorse47

July 16th, 2016, 07:22

Thanks, Hank. Once again my excitement turned into frustration. Happens a lot at my age. :biggrin-new:

conver

July 16th, 2016, 08:21

Nope...
This repaints are not for Aerospatiale version at all...
They are not made by MPDesignStudio.
It's Soko Mostar Gazela/Gazelle SA342 and repaints are found here:
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/

WarHorse47

July 16th, 2016, 09:16

I give up. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

My French is pretty bad. I attempted to register on the forum and got denied. There is no way I can figure out how to translate, much less how to search for the new textures.

If anyone is able to find and download the new textures, feel free to PM me. Thanks.

conver

July 16th, 2016, 09:26

Don't give up so easly...
Nick name is JME, ask him...
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=76882&p=2

WarHorse47

July 16th, 2016, 12:56

Don't give up so easly...
Nick name is JME, ask him...
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=76882&p=2Done. After several attempts I finally got registered on the site. We shall see.

conver

August 4th, 2016, 12:47

Another interesting screenshot: Reality against Simulator
Rate it...

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41500&stc=1

conver

September 11th, 2016, 00:15

Aerospatiale Gazelle SA342 version is coming up with a lot of new features...
Work in progress...

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42886&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42887&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42888&stc=1

YoYo

September 11th, 2016, 00:22

Nice work and incoming update. :applause:

Here is very good model for DCS also (more screenies: http://yoyosims.pl/dcs-sa342-gazelle ) :

http://yoyosims.pl/sites/default/files/Obrazki/dcsgazelle/sa342gazelle_3.jpg

conver

September 19th, 2016, 23:40

French version...
Aerospatiale Gazelle SA342

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43167&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43168&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43169&stc=1

alain0568

September 20th, 2016, 00:16

Hello Conver,

-Very beautiful!:applause::applause::applause:

Alain
-

spatialpro

September 21st, 2016, 02:34

The French version looks lovely! Really looking forward to the Westland AH1 version (and happy to paint some of them if you like?)...

spatialpro

September 21st, 2016, 03:03

It would be REALLY good in the loadout manager to be able to change the following:

Conventional exhaust/Upturned IR suppressant exhaust/Upturned IR suppressant exhaust & sand filter/Sand filter only
Wire cutters/clean
Floatation gear/clean
Weapon sight/Flat roof with no sight/Normal curved roof
Weapon rack with SNEB rockets/Weapon rack with FLIR/Weapon rack with FLIR & Night Sun/Weapon rack clean/No weapon rack

Twin (Homing) Antenna on the nose/Clean (these would also bend further the greater the airspeed)

Regarding aerials and antenna it would be great to have all of these selectable too!

http://s25.postimg.org/vykzzc0f3/Antennas.png

With all of these selectable it would be possible to go from a clean, early (1970s) AH1 to a fully-loaded more recent AH1 (and a similar thing could be done with non-Westland variants too).

Regarding the roof-top GOA and SNEB rockets it would be wonderful to have TacPack functionality to make it lethal in the sim...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f34/rhcp04/Malvinas/GazelleSNEB.jpg

Finally, one of these...

http://images.clipartpanda.com/kitchen-sink-clipart-stainless-sink.png
... and one of these please!

http://www.cambridgepm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cambridge-publishing-management-moon-on-a-stick0ea52.png

olderndirt

September 21st, 2016, 08:55

Will these new paints be available for the original M&P design model purchased at SimMarket - if so where?

Penzoil3

September 21st, 2016, 16:55

Will these new paints be available for the original M&P design model purchased at SimMarket - if so where?
I agree. I spent quite a bit of time searching for those repaints yesterday. They donn't seem to exist.
Sue

altack

September 21st, 2016, 23:14

It is not repaints but soon to be released new Gazelle models.

olderndirt

September 22nd, 2016, 08:08

So, in essence, wan't a new paint - buy a new model?

huub vink

September 22nd, 2016, 12:29

So, in essence, wan't a new paint - buy a new model?

That's not what I understand from the earlier posts by "conver". When I understand him correctly the textures can be downloaded from the French site from which he posted the link. However when I understand "WarHorse47" you should register first.

But as I don't have the model I do not intend to try.

Cheers,
Huub

WarHorse47

September 22nd, 2016, 12:52

I heard my name mentioned?? :adoration:

Here's some information that might clear up the confusion.

The Gazelle SA342 by MP Design Studio currently available on SimMarket is the version manufactured by Soko Mostar, Yugoslavia.

There are only two additional repaints I found, and I had to contact the painter directly. This was after I found the thread on the French site and used Google as my translator.

The recent photos are for an upcoming release of the Gazelle SA342 manufactured by Aerospatiale, France. It apparently has a different model and panel from what I gather. Anyways, this us an upcoming release.

That's all I can figure out at the moment. Stay tuned.. :biggrin-new:

olderndirt

September 22nd, 2016, 13:03

Feels like when I bought the 'Edsel'.

conver

October 15th, 2016, 06:13

Someone ask for livery?
There are no livery available for Soko Mostar Gazelle SA342
Paint kit and other livery is going to be available in Aerospatiale version of Gazelle SA342.
Here are some quick shots:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43755&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43756&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43757&stc=1
And very detailed virtual cockpit of french army Gazelle... Civil version is going to be a bit different
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43758&stc=1

conver

November 26th, 2016, 08:38

Hello!
It's very rare cases that users have this kind of issue with glass reflection, anyway, here is a link to download: Soko Mostar - Gazela SA342 GlassReflectionFix

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzdaNm_s3ZRwdXY1YWhkVzFIWDQ