Siai Marchetti S-211 Project

[Dino Cattaneo]

As I am struggling to recover my work on the Eurofighter - and since I am getting quite frustrated with that - I was looking for new project to regain new motivation and momentum... So I contacted MyJet - a charter company based on the local airport - that also owns a SIAI Marchetti S-211... They were so kind to give me full access to the aicraft - and as result I started working on this.

The idea is to create a very detailed rendition of this aicraft and possibly (at a later date) its most recent derivatives by Aermacchi, namely the M-311 / M-345 (which is set to replace the MB-339 for the Frecce Tricolori).
The project will be compatible with both FSX and P3D. It will be most likely payware, although the price will be low... I will share more pictures soon, but I can tell you it is looking quite good so far!

I will resume work on the Eurofighter as soon as I'll find the will - will keep you update on that one too.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38512&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38513&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38514&stc=1

[Daube]

Great news !
Indeed a new project was probably the best idea to get you out of this frustration. Good luck for the developpment :)

[YoYo]

Nice info Dino (!!!) but what about M-346? It was in Your future plan too (as I remember) and its more modern plane ;) ?

http://avionslegendaires.weebly.com/alenia-aermacchi-m-346-master.html

http://avionslegendaires.weebly.com/uploads/2/8/3/8/28385699/36950_orig.jpg

http://pliki.lotniczapolska.pl/2014/um_ajtck.jpg

http://www.baronerosso.it/forum/attachments/aeromodellismo-turbine-e-ventole/146081d1270901224-alenia-aermacchi-m346-aermacchi-m346-cutaway.jpg

Here is the reason why I like it ; ) http://airheadsfly.com/2016/02/27/more-details-known-on-polish-m-346-masters/ .

[menef]

As I am struggling to recover my work on the Eurofighter - and since I am getting quite frustrated with that - I was looking for new project to regain new motivation and momentum... So I contacted MyJet - a charter company based on the local airport - that also owns a SIAI Marchetti S-211... They were so kind to give me full access to the aicraft - and as result I started working on this.

The idea is to create a very detailed rendition of this aicraft and possibly (at a later date) its most recent derivatives by Aermacchi, namely the M-311 / M-345 (which is set to replace the MB-339 for the Frecce Tricolori).
The project will be compatible with both FSX and P3D. It will be most likely payware, although the price will be low... I will share more pictures soon, but I can tell you it is looking quite good so far!

I will resume work on the Eurofighter as soon as I'll find the will - will keep you update on that one too.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38512&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38513&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38514&stc=1

Grazie Dino! Ottima scelta! Ho avuto modo anni fa di vedere un'esibizione in volo di questo jet : in effetti è una piccola belva.
Veloce e maneggevolissimo! E poi è Italiano , Buon lavoro:applause:

[wombat666]

Good thinking Dino.
Instead of being continually frustrated attempting to recover previous work a fresh project is the best therapy.
I know, I have an MV Augusta still sitting in our workshop that I put to one side a few months ago........................:banghead:
But I have finished rebuilding a Fireblade and a Duke so my head is ready to go back to the Augusta.
:encouragement:

[scotth6]

Good on you Dino! Great to hear of the new project. It looks like a gun of a plane you've chosen.

Cheers,

[Dino Cattaneo]

Thanks for your support as usual...

M-346 is a very interesting machine - as also has significant capabilities in secondary roles. It has been on and off on my list as I know other developers were working on it...

The S-211 in the pictures is at walking distance for my office - which makes it an ideal subject.

[menef]

:-)
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38515&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38516&stc=1

[Naki]

That's great news! Is there any chance of recovering the MB 339 project or is that a complete loss?

[Dino Cattaneo]

As for the 339 the project was just started therefore I have not lost much.... basically just new texture templates with panel lines.
Problem with the 339 is that is a much loved aicraft here in Italy - so it needs to be done right as expectations would be incredibly high. I will probably do it, sooner or later, when I am in the mood for it.

As of today - a fresh start with the S-211 seems the best option.

[Bjoern]

Interesting choice, Dino.



Nice info Dino (!!!) but what about M-346? It was in Your future plan too (as I remember) and its more modern plane ;) ?

http://avionslegendaires.weebly.com/alenia-aermacchi-m-346-master.html

Here is the reason why I like it ; ) http://airheadsfly.com/2016/02/27/more-details-known-on-polish-m-346-masters/ .

http://fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/t-346a.431143/

[Sundog]

That's awesome news Dino! Given how much I enjoy flying your T-45 I'm sure I'll be flying the wings off of this as well. Besides, how cool that they allowed you access to it as well. Thanks for the preview. :)

[Dino Cattaneo]

...actually the S-211 has some commonalities with the T-45 :-)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38538&stc=1

[IanP]

That's not a jet I know, but it looks like one I'd have fun with. Looks like it would be nice in a Yellowjackets or Red Sparrows paint too - much in common with the Folland Gnat. ;)

Ian P.

[falcon409]

...actually the S-211 has some commonalities with the T-45 :-)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38538&stc=1
Great choice I think Dino. Also reminds me somewhat of the Alpha Jet which I still fly.

[b52bob]

I consider myself pretty knowledgeable regarding airplanes of the world but I had nerve heard of this one. Looks like a great trainer and am looking forward to it.

[Dino Cattaneo]

Well, it is not a very popular plane... some 70 aicrafts have been buit, and it has been in service in Haiti, Singapore and Philippines. It was proposed by Grumman-Agusta (which owned the design at the time) for the JPATS program.
Most of the aircraft have been retired from military service, and went into private hands - there are some flying conditions around the world.
From what I understand it is a relatively cheap plane to operate and it is fun to fly.

Once Alenia/Aermacchi acquired the design rights it upgraded it with a new engine and new avionics... and it may have a fighting chance in the basic jet training market due to the fact it is inexpensive to operate.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38580&stc=1

[Bjoern]

Performance and missions seem to put it right into the L-39ZO's league. Can't wait for formation flying screenshots or videos of mock dogfights or aerobatics.

[Dino Cattaneo]

Some W.I.P. screenshots - project is looking good so far!
The external model is almost done... and the VC should be ready by the end of September.
Hopefully we will get a Beta in October.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53030&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53031&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53032&stc=1

[Daube]

Well it looks quite good for sure ! :applause:

[cortomalteseit]

It's a good choice, a training aircraft is always a funny bird!!! :redfire::redfire::redfire:
Will it have an hook for naval ops?

[ThinkingManNeil]

I remember reading an article several years ago in some aviation mag (Air Progress, maybe?) about a pair of S-211's that came on the civilian market and the author of the piece was given some time in the front pit, writing that it was a seriously nifty piece of aviation kit. I genuinely look forward to seeing what you come up with...

N.

[Montie]

I am ready:jump:

[Manschy]

What a great job, what a real looking aircraft! Fantastic work!!!!:applause::applause::applause:

[scotth6]

A fantastic looking model as always Dino. Nice work. I have been enjoying your F-35 recently, and that never gets old.

[Victory103]

Very cool Dino, got to crawl around one in Dallas last year. Several ex-RSAF models are making their way into civilian hands here in the US.

[falcon409]

There are 3 airplanes from the FS9/FSX days that I truly miss flying now that P3D_V4 is all I have installed. Those are the AlphaJet, The AMX and the MB339. The S-211 is the answer to those forgotten aircraft and I look forward to the completion and release, whenever that happens to be. Thanks Dino!

[Naismith]

There are 3 airplanes from the FS9/FSX days that I truly miss flying now that P3D_V4 is all I have installed. Those are the AlphaJet, The AMX and the MB339. The S-211 is the answer to those forgotten aircraft and I look forward to the completion and release, whenever that happens to be. Thanks Dino!

Did you overlook mention of the Canadair Tutor? No? :biggrin-new:

[Dino Cattaneo]

As usual thanks for your support.
Apart from having one at the local airport (which needless to say it is a big plus) I think this project makes a lot of sense from several point of views - last but not least the fact that this aircraft is very well documented and the fact that it is enjoying a second life in private hands.

A couple of notes:
- Sticking to my "no fiction" rule, there will not be a tailhook version.
- Depending on time and resources the package may also include, right from the start, Aermacchi M-311 and M-345 (which are mostly the same aircraft, but with modern avionics, glass cockpit an minor modifications such as ventral fins... the final M-345 willl also have redesigned air intakes and nose section). Since documentation on the M-311/M-345 cockpit and interface is not publicly available, there will be some guess work there.

Anyway, here is the current external model... *ALMOST* finished!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53164&stc=1

[Sundog]

Thanks for the previews Dino, I'm really looking forward to cruising the virtual skies in this econo-trainer. :)

[Dino Cattaneo]

Just a quick picture from a short test flight - Roy Holmes is doing the flight model and, as usual, he is doing a great job. Also, since this aicraft is extremely well documented (including performance data) the flight model will closely match the real world performance.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53374&stc=1

[Txmmy83]

WOW that looks sensational good
would love to see how it looks in this livery
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53380&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53381&stc=1

[Dino Cattaneo]

Needless to say the Frecce Tricolori livery is being worked on ;-) - I had to simplify a little the graphics of the underbelly mostly for resolution reasons...
Anyway, chance is the Frecce Tricolori model will have a proper M-345 3D model, including digital cockpit.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53410&stc=1

[Txmmy83]

that looks great so far ;)

what I miss a bit for FSX are flyable formations there a few for FS9

Red Arrows (9 Plane formation) http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=military&file=REDS_FS9.zip
Patrouille de France fouga magister (9 Plane formation) https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?do=copyright&fid=46447
Patrulla Aguila https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?do=copyright&fid=142387
Frecce Tricolori (6 plane formation) https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?do=copyright&fid=117905

A 10 Aircraft M345 or MB339 PAN would be a nice thing!? but I fear polycount would make it difficult :(

[Dino Cattaneo]

...I played with that concept years ago. Fun...but there are a lot of limitiations.
Doing that with the S-211/M-345 model is basically impossible (well... a 3 ship flights might be doable, but with poor frame rate).

[Bjoern]

Btw: Roskam's "Airplane Design", part VI has a drag polar for the S-211. Part III (or IV) has some general data on wings and empennage.

[Sundog]

Btw: Roskam's "Airplane Design", part VI has a drag polar for the S-211. Part III (or IV) has some general data on wings and empennage.

Hi Bjoern, would you happen to remember which volume had the engine decks in it? I have a couple volumes, but I really want that volume the most, as that kind of propulsion data is generally difficult to find.

[Dino Cattaneo]

Well, Roy Holmes is working on the flight model - and I believe he is using data from Roskam's book along with flight and performance manuals - as I said the aircraft is extremely well documented.

By the way here is a first glimpse at the cockpit - it will reflect the I-MJET layout, which is basically a late production cockpit but with some military avionics replaced by civilian equivalents (but I will bring back the armament panel).

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53477&stc=1

For the record, other civilian users have significantly upgraded the layout with modern electronics:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53478&stc=1

[Dino Cattaneo]

...and here is the M-345 protoype cockpit (which will be added to the simulation if time and resources will allow)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53479&stc=1

[Bjoern]

Hi Bjoern, would you happen to remember which volume had the engine decks in it? I have a couple volumes, but I really want that volume the most, as that kind of propulsion data is generally difficult to find.

"Engine decks"?

[Sundog]

"Engine decks"?
Those are what propulsion companies give aircraft designers to reference while designing aircraft. It's a table for a specific powerplant showing throttle setting, rpm, temp, uninstalled thrust, fuel flow, etc., for various altitudes(air densities). One of the volumes has some of those in them, but I haven't seen it since school back in the eighties and I don't remember the volume number.

Dino, thanks for the cockpit previews. I had no idea the civilian versions had those kinds of upgrades. I'll be happy with whatever panel you provide. :)

[Switchblade408]

The progress on this model looks most excellent! I can't wait for the beta release!

[Txmmy83]

Dino what photorealistic ground Scenery is that in your Preview Shots?

[jeansy]

i can see a RAAF 76SQN scheme on that bird

looking great as usual Dino

[Seahawk72s]

...and here is the M-345 protoype cockpit (which will be added to the simulation if time and resources will allow)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53479&stc=1

I'll keep fingers crossed that all works out for a 345...

[Bjoern]

Those are what propulsion companies give aircraft designers to reference while designing aircraft. It's a table for a specific powerplant showing throttle setting, rpm, temp, uninstalled thrust, fuel flow, etc., for various altitudes(air densities). One of the volumes has some of those in them, but I haven't seen it since school back in the eighties and I don't remember the volume number.

Haven't seen these in volumes three and half of volume six. So maybe two and seven?

[Dino Cattaneo]

Some shots of the latest build of the S-211... starting to build the cockpit functionality.
...and then a preview of the M-345 HET.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54724&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54725&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54726&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54727&stc=1

[Sundog]

As usual, thanks for the great preview pics. :)

[Naismith]

That is a work of beauty

[Dino Cattaneo]

...and, as usual, thanks for the appreciation!

With the current pace, the S-211 should be able to enter in a Beta-1 stage by the end of this month - followed by a Beta 2 release which will include the M-345.
The product should be ready before the end of November (hopefully!)

[alehead]

Looks like a fun toy to throw around the skies... probably a stupid question: freeware or payware? It certainly has the quality to be latter...

Reminds me a little of the Hawk T1 in a few senses...

A

[falcon409]

Looks like a fun toy to throw around the skies... probably a stupid question: freeware or payware? It certainly has the quality to be latter...
A
Read the very first post by Dino!

[Dino Cattaneo]

....I confim that the product will be payware.
Unless something catastrophic happens, the package will include the S-211 in multiple liveries, the M-311 and M-345 demonstrators and the M-345HET variant.
The price will be aligned to my previous offerings.

[Montie]

Is it P3D V4 compatible?

[Dino Cattaneo]

Yes - as of today it works fine in P3Dv4... no issues detected (and frankly I am steering from any special function that might disrupt the compatibility) ;-)